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Just imagining in my mind what it would be like for these people if they were suddenly freed from this joke of a leader, and allowed to experience some of the freedom of the outside world.

Interesting scenario you offer. I suppose their reaction would vary greatly by the particular cultural setting you chose to expose them to.

For instance...If you were to put them out on say.. Hawthorne Blvd. on a Sunday afternoon, I could see them all clamoring to get back on the bus in a panic. :eek:
 
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Interesting scenario you offer. I suppose their reaction would vary greatly by the particular cultural setting you chose to expose them to.
For instance...If you were to put them out on say.. Hawthorne Blvd. on a Sunday afternoon, I could see them all clamoring to get back on the bus in a panic. :eek:

Simply walking around a Walmart or any well stocked grocery store would send them for a tizzy.

I've traveled quite a bit, and for extended periods of time. The longest was a year self supported pedal bike trip. There was a span of about 8 months where I hadn't been in a well stocked grocers, and when I finally did shop in one...I couldn't. I just walked around, kind of overwhelmed, and had to go back the next day to shop.

Now imagine living your entire life where all the choices are made for you, then one day you can make your own. It'd take a long long time to adjust...
 
Simply walking around a Walmart or any well stocked grocery store would send them for a tizzy.

I've traveled quite a bit, and for extended periods of time. The longest was a year self supported pedal bike trip. There was a span of about 8 months where I hadn't been in a well stocked grocers, and when I finally did shop in one...I couldn't. I just walked around, kind of overwhelmed, and had to go back the next day to shop.

Now imagine living your entire life where all the choices are made for you, then one day you can make your own. It'd take a long long time to adjust...
Instead of hoarding .22 ammo they'd go all Smaug on cabbage. lol
 
I've traveled quite a bit, and for extended periods of time. The longest was a year self supported pedal bike trip. There was a span of about 8 months where I hadn't been in a well stocked grocers, and when I finally did shop in one...I couldn't. I just walked around, kind of overwhelmed, and had to go back the next day to shop.
Now imagine living your entire life where all the choices are made for you, then one day you can make your own. It'd take a long long time to adjust...

You hit that straight on. I found my current wife on one of the Southern islands of the Philippines chain. When I brought her up here, she couldn't get her head around the concept of making a choice between several brands, varieties and sizes of a simple can of beans. The first time at Costco was a crack up.
Even now years later when she shops, she buys extra items that go into a big shipping box to go back home for the extended family. Only problem there is that they don't always know what the stuff is when they get it... like that can of corned beef hash that no-one realized had to be cooked first !
 
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Not just N. Korea. Back in 1998 our Intel school, where I was Chief Instructor, had as a student the VERY first Ukrainian Air Force intel guy in the West to train as an imagery analyst. His name translated as Hawk, so we naturally called him 'Hawkeye', and treated him just like any of the guys there. The course was drawn from NATO and non-NATO air forces, like Switzerland, France and Turkey. The Norwegian and Swedish students - two husband and wife couples of captain rank, were on just over four hundred USD a day EACH in allowances alone - on a twelve-week long course.

Hawkeye was on a per diem of $1.00.

His entire course budget would not have bought the groceries for the week of a VERY small family on the breadline here in UK.

The boss and I sat down one lunchtime and, with the help of the pay branch guys, invented a 'foreign officer's pay equalisation fund', designed to bring his pay up to something like that of a single flight louie [USAF captain], with some inventive adjustment of our own budget and the connivance of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. AFAIK, he never knew, but when I took him to collect his first pay adjustment, he just sat down in the car and cried his heart out.

I often wonder what happened to this kind and gentle man, a Russian native who had decided to stay with his Ukrainian wife and become a Ukrainian, and his little family.

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My wife had a bit of adjusting when She moved here. Imagine walking into any retail outlet and having more then two choices of each type of item! Overwhelming is an under statement. I gave her a credit card so she could shop and feel good about doing it on her own, The first few "shopping trips" were really funny, I couldn't stop laughing, she was trying to be so thrifty while trying to combine items for meals and none of it made any sense! The one area she did go nuts was fresh produce and meat, once I showed her what to look for, she couldn't get enough of it!
 
My wife had a bit of adjusting when She moved here. Imagine walking into any retail outlet and having more then two choices of each type of item! Overwhelming is an under statement. I gave her a credit card so she could shop and feel good about doing it on her own, The first few "shopping trips" were really funny, I couldn't stop laughing, she was trying to be so thrifty while trying to combine items for meals and none of it made any sense! The one area she did go nuts was fresh produce and meat, once I showed her what to look for, she couldn't get enough of it!
Does she know about H-Mart? right next to Bi-Mart and the "new" NW Armory.. awesome

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I should add, My wife is Ukrainian! Having visited her family, I can see many of the issues she faced when she came here. Over there, you had to wait in line for certain things, and didn't get to choose what you got, you just got at the price they told you to pay! Milk was a once a week, fresh veggies were a different day, and meats were almost rationed once a week in limited amounts! Packaged goods had limits and canned goods had to be really careful to check the canned dates to make sure it wasn't spoiled! Certain stores were pretty shifty on things too, so yo had to watch out! There are more people with dietary issues over there because of the lack of decent food, that's why so many people are so skinny! That's also why soup's are so popular, nothing gets wasted!
 
N Korea, from my understanding, is worlds different than Soviet style communism of old.

A complete and total dictatorship, where many people "worship" the glorious leader.

Whereas in Soviet times of old, there was a huge undercurrent of "grey man" types either blatantly scoffing, or casually scoffing at the rule of the time. Black market dealings, work slowdowns, slight quality disregards in manufacture etc etc.

When a N Korean escapes, and eventually makes there way to the West, and if they are truly "free" (i.e. Not a prostitute slave etc). It takes years for them to actually understand how free they are, i.e. not living in some kind of a dream world or something...

There certainly was a difference. The USSR had a pretty sizable Korean minority (in fact there's still around half a million Koreans living in former USSR) and in the 1960s-70's an atmosphere of Korean nationalism arose amongst a small portion of them, with a particular affinity towards fellow-communist North Korea. The Soviet authorities were displeased and dealt with the problem by deporting those accused of DPRK loyalty to North Korea. That pretty much killed the movement overnight because after the first few saw what it was like the rest lost interest. Even after the collapse of the USSR when there was freedom of movement, only a small number of Koreans elected to return to their ancestral home.
 
The Soviet authorities were displeased and dealt with the problem by deporting those accused of DPRK loyalty to North Korea. That pretty much killed the movement overnight because after the first few saw what it was like the rest lost interest. Even after the collapse of the USSR when there was freedom of movement, only a small number of Koreans elected to return to their ancestral home.

Interesting approach. If we could just do the same for our neo-lib, anarchist, millennial cry babies.
 
While that fat punk shoves yet more food in his pie hole starving children freeze to death in his streets. I wouldn't hesitate to end his shameful life if I had the opportunity. Far, far, worse pictures than the one below but you don't want to see them.
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I read about this a while back. Apparently the women have more available styles:

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Prior to the latest DICKtate from the DICK-Tater in Chief, these were the approved men's styles:

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Just imagining in my mind what it would be like for these people if they were suddenly freed from this joke of a leader, and allowed to experience some of the freedom of the outside world. About 5 years ago, my father went there with a local NW aid agency to install 2 generators at some local hospitals. As part of their visit, they were escorted around Pyongyang to show them the glory of North Korea. They were also given an escorted tour of the captured USS Pueblo, a shining symbol of N. Korean military triumph over the tiny US Navy. My father's response about everything was that the people were very kind, exceedingly helpful and friendly and that everything he saw was nothing more than a phony facade of a country, white washed to make it look like everything was beautiful and happy. He showed me photos of the operating room at one of the hospitals - it looked like something out of the late 1800's, no joke, no exaggeration. Most of their surgeries were done by daylight because power was only available several hours a day, thus the reason for the donated generators. Quite an interesting, if not very depressing place. I feel for the poor folks that have been under the thumb of that regime.

No mullet!??!!? Godless heathens!

Those people wouldn't have a clue what to do for years after the collars were removed.

The mob, military, and political tyrants would have a field day in that lemming shet hole
 

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