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The Future of Banning for the Anti-Gun Crowd

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by etrain16, Aug 17, 2015.

  1. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I recently heard of legislation proposed in Washington D.C. to limit the sale of laser pointers to the average person due to an increase in incidents of people pointing lasers at aircraft. Earlier this year, Sen. Chuck Schumer stated "said Senator Schumer. “Aviation and medical experts, as well as the FDA themselves, have noted concern over high-powered, long-range green lasers in particular, and there’s simply no good reason for these to be legal and available online, given the huge risk they pose. In up to 90% of the laser pointer incidents that pilots reported last year at New York area airports, green lasers were the weapon of choice; I am calling on the FDA to use their authority to ban green laser pointers, which pose serious risk to pilots and air travelers whose lives are literally in their hands.” (source: http://www.laserpointersafety.com/n...iles/2c8baa61df94ed56d5c7a9dc01ebb62d-435.php)

    According to the article, the green lasers pose the biggest threat because their light spectrum travels further and is more readily accepted into the retina. Currently the law states that the most powerful laser you can buy for personal use is 5mW, regardless of the laser color. But comparing them side by side, you can see that a green laser at 5mW is more intense than red and blue lasers.

    Thankfully the government never wastes an opportunity to create even more laws. Just gather some folks together that have been harmed, have them stand all pouty and angry and demand more laws to restrict the people. It's obviously the only way. By the way, it's already against federal law to aim a laser pointer at an aircraft. A lot of good that law did.

    And pay very close attention to what he said "there’s simply no good reason for these to be legal and available online". Sound familiar? What else shouldn't be readily available online? Guns? Ammo? Knives? These people won't stop at limiting our gun rights. We need to be aware that these people want to restrict us in a lot of different ways. Once they get their way with guns, what's next? Something you do care about? Will it be too late then? How many other things in your life should need a "good reason" to be legal?????

    So it had me wondering, how long will it be before they also seek to put a ban on your weapon-mounted laser. You might blind a bad guy with that thing!! You may aim your weapon-mounted laser at a plane and hurt the pilot's eyes!

    This is all crazy BS. To think that banning/limiting ever possible item that can cause harm to someone when misused is just pure foolishness. These people aren't happy unless they're banning something. And yet, Americans insist on continually putting these f-ing morons back in office, over and over and over....

    BTW, you can get some really awesome green, red and blue/purple lasers on Ebay and Amazon for under $5 each. At 5mW, the green lasers are really powerful and really fun to play with. Just don't point the darn things at airplanes :confused: Better get some now before the guvment bans these too! At about $5 each shipped, get a nice set of spares ;) Here is a link to a 3-pack I bought on Ebay not long ago - one each red, green and blue/purple for under $10 shipped: http://www.ebay.com/itm/161411411346?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

    Or, learn to build your own. This guy (I'm assuming he has some kind of special permission to build these??) built a handheld laser that is 1,460x more powerful than the 5mW lasers you can buy online:

     
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  2. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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  3. 308

    308 ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Platinum Supporter Silver Supporter

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    C'mon, this is just 'common sense' LASER control...
     
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  4. Goosebrown

    Goosebrown Beaverton Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    I got lased in the eye by a coworker and it left a spot in my left eye. Sort of sucks. Lasers are good but don't point them at people unless you're going to shoot them.
     
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  5. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Agreed. Lasers can be fun and useful, but, like any tool, don't misuse them, it just gives politicians more reasons to write laws :( Improperly used, it can cost someone their eyesight, but so can a nail gun - good rule of thumb, don't point either at people, unless, as you say, you intend to shoot them, presumably in self defense.
     
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  6. v0lcom13sn0w

    v0lcom13sn0w Keizer, or Well-Known Member

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    Alcohol has been involved in more deaths than green laser pointers and amongst other things COMBINED. what happened when 'they' tried banning alcohol??? yes. exactly. now, MOST of the time i dont have a 'good reason' to consume alcohol but that doesn't stop me from enjoying a few cold ones.
     
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  7. BigBull 301

    BigBull 301 PDX almost Well-Known Member

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    Phones! We need to ban phones! People driving and walking while on the phone is killing and hurting thousands of people. We must end this MADNESS!

    I have been rear-ended twice in the last 4 years by idiots on the phone....
     
  8. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Things that can and do harm people, but are perfectly legal, even if they are partially regulated:

    * Smoking/tobacco
    * Alcohol
    * Marijuana (depending on where you live)
    * Cars, Trucks, Vans
    * Airplanes
    * Ladders
    * Power Tools
    * Walking
    * Gasoline
    * Poisonous household chemicals
    * Levers
    * Hammers
    * Glass
    * Plastic
    * Fire - matches, lighters, etc.
    * Knives
    * Screwdrivers
    * Aerosols
    * Paint
    * Thinner
    * Bleach
    * Baseball bats
    * Baseballs
    * Pencils
    * Paper (I got a nasty paper cut yesterday :() - damn dangerous stuff paper - I could get an infection :eek:
    * Stupid people

    Lots and lots more could be added. Yet how many of the items on this list are banned or even heavily restricted? Sure, I need a license to drive, and I have to go to a liquor store (in my state) to by alcohol, but none of them require a background check, nor a registry (some may argue the DMV is a registry) for me to own just about anything on this list.

    The point is that life is dangerous. It's more dangerous when stupid people do stupid things with a variety of objects and substances, yet only certain items ever get targeted for extreme control, such as guns. I suppose that has to do a bit with the fact that you're more likely to be a problem for the government if you have a gun (or a laser, or both) than you are if you have a match and a bottle of bleach.
     
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  9. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    I guess the big thing in many middle eastern countries is to go batgum crazy at night during a "gathering" or protest etc., especially with the green lasers.. bonus points if there's any sort of plane flying around.
    But they'll also machinegun straight up in the air.. lol
     
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  10. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    You can't legislate morality. You can't legislate behavior. You can't legislate common sense. But that doesn't stop them from trying.

    If we really want to be a free country, then we need to stop passing ridiculous laws every time someone does something stupid. You will never, ever stop it from happening. There will always be a percentage of folks that hurt or kill themselves or others, no matter what we ban. It's always been that way, it will always be that way.

    We have more laws on the books already than we can count, while we continue to be lenient on violent, dangerous and mentally unstable offenders. These bad folks aren't deterred by these laws, but we, the law abiding, are being increasingly crushed under these oppressive laws. It's very frustrating.
     
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    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    And, what continues to get me is this: who the hell should be deciding what a "good reason" is to own something? Senators? Representatives? The President?

    I should be the one to make that determination, so long as I am mentally capable to think for myself. Otherwise, it should be none of their business.
     
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  12. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I use a Ryobi laser for construction estimation everyday. It's not like
     
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    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    We are getting close to the point where small man portable laser weapons could be a reality. Will the 2nd amendment cover these - will they be no-nos since one could argue a constant on laser is "full auto" and thus a "machine gun" - will the FCC - the body currently regulating laser devices - and the BATFE get into a wang measuring contest over who will regulate laser weapons? Will we even have a constitution and bill of rights by the time a man portable laser weapon could be available to the consumer market?
     
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    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    An electric car or a parking lot of them wired in parallel (hey, they're portable big batteries!) is an obvious power source.. though I can barely cut a 2x4 straight with my laser equipped Skil-Saw.. lol
     
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    captqc Tigard Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    If the nanny state can tell you how big a soda you can buy they sure the heck will try to take away lasers which you have no legitimate purpose for anyway!:mad::confused: The next civil war is going to be between the progressive socialists and the conservative constitutionalists and I sure hope we still have our guns when it happens so I don't have to use my bare hands!:rolleyes:
     
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  17. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Get your lasers now while they're cheap and available. Otherwise once the first laser attack on a school or movie theater happens (think blinding a bunch of folks in a dark theater - it will probably happen some day), we'll see an end to availability of these nifty gadgets. You've been warned, don't wait to buy until it's too late ;) (I think this is a smiley with one eye knocked out by a green laser).