"The Constitutional Right to Bear Arms: Outlived Its Usefulness?"

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The Constitutional Right To Bear Arms Has Outlived Its Usefulness ? IQ2 Debates

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The participants:

FOR: Changing the 2nd Amendment
AGAINST: No Change


FOR
Alan Dershowitz
Professor of Law, Harvard Law School


FOR
Sanford Levinson
Professor of Law and of Government, University of Texas


AGAINST
David Kopel
Research Director, Independence Institute & Associate Policy Analyst, Cato Institute


AGAINST
Eugene Volokh
Professor of Law, UCLA School of Law

 

[erudne]

Thanks for the heads-up but as you no doubt has surmised it has Nothing to do w/the US Constitution, someone is just talking out of their ash (again)

 

[Botte Hork]

The day it's decided that the 2nd Amendment has outlived its usefulness will likely be the day showing its usefulness. And not in the hunting or target plinking use, but in that often-despised tyrannical deterring use.

 

[Nickb]

The day it's decided that the 2nd Amendment has outlived its usefulness will likely be the day showing its usefulness. And not in the hunting or target plinking use, but in that often-despised tyrannical deterring use.

You mean like what it is in there for?

Very well said.

 

[simon99]

The freedom of speech and independent thought is no longer useful either?

 

[Grunwald]

Fine, if it has outlived its usefulness then do a constitutional amendment and get rid of it.
.........if you can get the votes.


I would say the 3rd has outlived its usefulness. When was the last time we were in a need of it?
Let's scrap it and stick a whole company in Dershowitz's house the following day.

 

[trainsktg]

Well, privacy has outlived its usefulness, why not all the rest?

Keith

 

[Bam]

I always got to laugh when I come across a jewish person that is PRO gun control. The irony.

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

I would have to say those proposing that the second amendment is not relevant any more are themselves IQ dead and are no longer needed.

 

[cookie]

The day it's decided that the 2nd Amendment has outlived its usefulness will likely be the day showing its usefulness. And not in the hunting or target plinking use, but in that often-despised tyrannical deterring use.

We don't need guns with Obomber as our president, he is all we need . Hope and change! The government is our friend and is here to help us.

 

[Sun195]

Apparently, the 4th has outlived its usefulness, so why not make a clean sweep of the others?

 

[BAMCIS]

I always got to laugh when I come across a jewish person that is PRO gun control. The irony.

You're being to harsh. They simply haven't been schooled in recent history. i.e. eastern Europe in the 1930's and 40's. Does anyone think the holocaust would have happened if they had a second amendment?

 

[Grunwald]

You're being to harsh. They simply haven't been schooled in recent history. i.e. eastern Europe in the 1930's and 40's. Does anyone think the holocaust would have happened if they had a second amendment?

Yes it would have. The Germans herded them like cattle and they just complied. On they way onto the train and getting off of the trains they outnumbered the Germans hundreds to one. How many shots could the guards get off from their Mausers if they were rushed?
It was not so much about being unarmed as it was about the culture of those people.

How many modern day American college professors would put up an armed resistance if all of a sudden the government started to round them up? I would bet not very many.

 

[One-Eyed Ross]

We don't need guns with Obomber as our president, he is all we need . Hope and change! The government is our friend and is here to help us.

You be my hee row....

 

[BAMCIS]

Yes it would have. The Germans herded them like cattle and they just complied. On they way onto the train and getting off of the trains they outnumbered the Germans hundreds to one. How many shots could the guards get off from their Mausers if they were rushed?
It was not so much about being unarmed as it was about the culture of those people.

How many modern day American college professors would put up an armed resistance if all of a sudden the government started to round them up? I would bet not very many.

Good point. But I have to imagine some (more) would have risen up if they had been armed.

 

[U201491]

Good point. But I have to imagine some (more) would have risen up if they had been armed.

They would have risen up had they known where they were going.
They thought it was to be labor camps with jobs, shelter and food.
If they knew they were going to the gas chambers and ovens they would have
fought bare handed.

 

[BAMCIS]

The word was filtering back. At first it wasn't believed, but when it finally was (believed) they tried to fight but had nothing to fight with. i.e. the Warsaw ghetto.

God bless them they did hold out for (if memory serves because it's to late to consult Wikipedia) 28 days.

 

[Martini_Up]

"In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution" - Thomas Jefferson

"Just when you think it is time to bury your guns, it is in fact time to dig them up" - Some wise unknown person

 

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Deen
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