Super GP100?!?

[Pete F]

It weighs almost as much as the 5.5" Redhawk .44 magnum. I love Rugers, but I just don't see the point of putting 9mm in a .44 magnum frame.

 

[RVTECH]

That cylinder gap in the frame is gross.

Normally I respect Ruger revolvers but not this one!

I'll stick with my 'basic' Mod 66 Smith.

It sent many pine cones flying last weekend!

 

[cigars]

Why on earth would you carry a super Redhawk to shoot 9mm

I'm waiting for an M2HB in 9mm. Done.

 

[DLS]

… Any revolver in 9mm is way cheaper to shoot than any other revolver caliber...

Not only is it cheaper, but the short 9mm cases in moon clips almost seat themselves in the cylinder. I shoot .38 Shorts in my .357 GP100 for the same reason, getting the speed loader lined up and the cartridges in the cylinder is much harder with longer revolver rounds. ICORE stages usually go at least 24 rounds and some go as many as 34. So that's a minimum of 3 reloads per stage if you are shooting classic division (6 shot) and some stages can require up to 5! So anything you can do to speed recharging the cylinder is a huge advantage.

To shoot .38 Shorts requires you to cut down .38 Special brass or purchase expensive virgin brass. Going the 9mm route is much cheaper and easier. The smaller case allows more efficient combustion of the powder reducing fouling. A revolver can start getting pretty "sticky" after a couple hundred rounds you might shoot in a match. Not only does extraction and reloading get sticky, but case drag due to cases not easily seating to full depth increases trigger pull weight in an unpredictable way

It weighs almost as much as the 5.5" Redhawk .44 magnum. I love Rugers, but I just don't see the point of putting 9mm in a .44 magnum frame.

The time penalties for wide shots are severe in ICORE, so it's a very accuracy driven game. Much more than Speed Challenge or IDPA/IPSC type of shooting. Couple the need for accurate shot placement when you are trying to shoot 0.3 second splits with a double action revolver you won't find the extra weight objectional at all.

About 18 months ago Ruger put out a huge marketing survey dealing with competition revolvers. I'm betting this is a result of that survey.

 

[Tilos]

Why on earth would you carry a super Redhawk to shoot 9mm

It's Redhawk sized to squeeze in the 8 shot cylinder, needed to compete with the 8 shot Smith's in ICORE.
Designed for comp, not aesthetics, but none the less ugly for sure.

 

[DLS]

I don't know, ugly can be it's own beautiful!

 

[DirtyBird]

I've really been admiring the 8 shot .357 Redhawks they have out. The shorter barrel model is all kinds of cool.

Redhawk

Seems a might bit bigger than my j frame though.

 

[DirtyBird]

I've really been admiring the 8 shot .357 Redhawks they have out. The shorter barrel model is all kinds of cool.

Redhawk

Seems a might bit bigger than my j frame though.

Good point, DirtyBird. I also really really like the 4 inch .45 acp model.

.45

I don't like every new wheel gun they've put out, but I really admire the breadth of Ruger's catalog.

 

[Hatman1793]

DLS & I are on the same page. I like it. Too bad it isn't offered in a six (6) shot configuration.
it would be near perfect for PPC.

 

[Ligito]

It's like a 5.4 liter Triton motor in a 3/4 ton truck...almost pointless.

Bingo. 1999 F250 V-10 owner.

 

[Pizza Bob]

That gun is suitable for both ICORE and USPSA and is meant as a direct competitor for Smith's 929 - which I believe has done pretty well in the marketplace. I just had my gunsmith build me a 929 (irony: He is a member of Team Ruger and will probably end up shooting this Super GP100). Here's my 929 - doesn't look much different, but there is a lot of work in this gun - now if things would just open up I could try it out...



Adios,

Pizza Bob

 

[Pete F]

I've really been admiring the 8 shot .357 Redhawks they have out. The shorter barrel model is all kinds of cool.

Redhawk

Seems a might bit bigger than my j frame though.

I think that the 4.2" .357 is the right combination of 8 shot and accuracy. It is still a little heavy for concealed carry, but I would carry it hiking, fishing and camping.

 

[Pete F]

Not only is it cheaper, but the short 9mm cases in moon clips almost seat themselves in the cylinder. I shoot .38 Shorts in my .357 GP100 for the same reason, getting the speed loader lined up and the cartridges in the cylinder is much harder with longer revolver rounds. ICORE stages usually go at least 24 rounds and some go as many as 34. So that's a minimum of 3 reloads per stage if you are shooting classic division (6 shot) and some stages can require up to 5! So anything you can do to speed recharging the cylinder is a huge advantage.

To shoot .38 Shorts requires you to cut down .38 Special brass or purchase expensive virgin brass. Going the 9mm route is much cheaper and easier. The smaller case allows more efficient combustion of the powder reducing fouling. A revolver can start getting pretty "sticky" after a couple hundred rounds you might shoot in a match. Not only does extraction and reloading get sticky, but case drag due to cases not easily seating to full depth increases trigger pull weight in an unpredictable way


The time penalties for wide shots are severe in ICORE, so it's a very accuracy driven game. Much more than Speed Challenge or IDPA/IPSC type of shooting. Couple the need for accurate shot placement when you are trying to shoot 0.3 second splits with a double action revolver you won't find the extra weight objectional at all.

About 18 months ago Ruger put out a huge marketing survey dealing with competition revolvers. I'm betting this is a result of that survey.

ICORE sounds like a blast. This is the first time that I have heard of it and may have to get involved. I'e got a Ruger Security Six that is very accurate and I still have 80 boxes of my Dad's .38 wadcutters. After that is gone, I will have to recreate his formula.

 

[DLS]

ICORE (International Confederation of Revolver Enthusiast) is a pretty small shooting confederation but there are matches locally in Arial WA and a bit south … Medford I think.

The stages are a combination of steel, plate racks, Texas Stars etc. and D1 tombstone targets. There are the typical shoot / no shoot targets along with shooting lanes / barricades etc. So much of the game is the same as the other practical shooting events.

Compared to the other disciplines the stages are really a mishmash of targets which is one of the reasons I like it so much. Each stage will have multiple reloads, so your wadcutters will handicap you greatly. Round nose and truncated cone profiles load so much faster. You need a number of speed loaders, and most like the Safariland push button type but I use both those and the HKS knob style to good effect. The wadcutters will be useful for training your out of the holster shots and you can practice transitions etc. as well, but they may be a bit underpowered for the serious coemptions. You need a minimum power factor of 120.

The matches I've shot have been populated with a ton of nice, accommodating people. When my son and I started all I had was a stock GP100 (with a 14 pound DA) and five speed loaders. We used a nail pouch to hold the speed loaders and started from the low ready … and it was all good and fine with everybody there. Now I have the DA trigger down to 7.75 pounds and have an actual holster and speed loader pouches, so we don't look quite so ridiculous but bring what you have and have a blast. If you want more info PM me since this is starting to hijack the thread.

I hope this helps!

 

[P7M13]

I think though I will end up with the .357 7-shot though.

Have. Very nice.
My trigger from the factory is a beast, so some day after I've caught up on the endless list of things to finish, I'll attack that and get some new springs installed.

 

[Tilos]

OK then
A couple of 9mm resolvers (actually 3)

Buy Charter Arms Pitbull 6 9mm Revolver Online

Technical Specifications Caliber 9MM Barrel Length 6.000"

www.budsgunshop.com

Would look better with an underlug (jmo)

Buy Charter Arms Pitbull 42 9mm Revolver Online

CHARTER PITBULL 9MM SS 4.2" AS9mm

www.budsgunshop.com

Neither Charter Arms 9mm revolvers require moon clips, this one no longer in production

Rock Island Armory AL9.0 9MM DA REV 3B 6RD

Features: Includes Moon Rings, Full Barrel Shroud;Wide Serrated Hammer

www.budsgunshop.com

Ria AL9.0 3.0
Kinda pricey for what it is,

My fave CA 79942

 

[DLS]

Have. Very nice.
My trigger from the factory is a beast, so some day after I've caught up on the endless list of things to finish, I'll attack that and get some new springs installed.

Ruger revolvers are really easy to work on. A couple of hours polishing and a shim and spring kit will work wonders on the DA weight and feel.

 

[kmk1012]

I love my 929, no more searching for brass on the floor/ground. Combined with the BMT Mooner I can reload quicker than a mag fed gun as well.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

Why on earth would you carry a super Redhawk to shoot 9mm

I have an 8 shot .357 Redhawk. That I would highly reccomend. for me the strength of a wheel gun is in shooting long cartridges. 9x19 no thanks.

 

[Pizza Bob]

...for me the strength of a wheel gun is in shooting long cartridges. 9x19 no thanks.

Not quite sure where that comes from. Bigger, or longer in this instance, isn't always better, or again in this instance, stronger. You need to look at the comparative ballistics of cartridges like the 9mm, .38 Super or .357 Sig versus the much longer .38 Special.

The Super GP100 and the S&W 929 are purpose built revolvers, and that purpose is competition. It is about putting the most accurate number of shots on target in the least amount of time. In order to accomplish that you not only need to be able to shoot fast and well, but also reload fast and well. The shorter cartridges, with the higher ballistic efficiency, loaded using moon clips, allow you to accomplish both goals.

You are missing the point if you think the two guns mentioned are for anything other than competing.

Adios,

Pizza Bob