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STOLEN AK!!! Keep Your Eye Out Gents

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by RoundsDownRange, Feb 20, 2014.

  1. RoundsDownRange

    RoundsDownRange United States Member

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    So I had just completed a Saiga conversion build and it was stolen from a locked case in my truck yesterday. This gun was days old... I am confident this was a targeted theft within my development but you never know where is will end up.
    Please Keep your eye out and contact me if you come across it. 253-778-0942 THANK YOU
    Specs:
    Saiga Converted
    Chambered in .223
    14" Barrel With an UNPINNED comp ( rifle was just picked up from a gunsmith and we where undecided what was going to be on the rifle long term)
    Full Rail
    Magpul MOE Stock with Riser
    Magpul MOE Grip

    You wont miss this rifle in a crowd! Needless to say I am none to pleased (putting it lightly) and determined to find it.

    Thank you again for any help you can provide

    I am located in Pierce County and it has been reported

    AK.jpg
     
  2. fredball

    fredball Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    If you have the serial number I'd post it up so we all know it .
    location where it was stolen from , anything that would I.D. it as your's not including serial number
    anything that would help will help
    I think all the folks on here are honest in the area of this type crime
     
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  3. RoundsDownRange

    RoundsDownRange United States Member

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    sorry I had meant to do so...

    N09169231

    Thanks Fredball
     
  4. deadeye

    deadeye Albany,OR. Moderator Staff Member

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  5. peetar

    peetar Kitsap County Active Member

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    Is this an SBR? 14 inch barrel in Pierce County?
     
  6. RoundsDownRange

    RoundsDownRange United States Member

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    It depends on how you look at it, the comp brings it to 16.1 but because it has not been pinned and welded as stayed you can say that. But given the rifle is unfired and days old in this form the work just had not been done yet. I just had not decided what comp was going to live on the rifle long term before I made the investment. Just being honest given the circumstances.
     
  7. peetar

    peetar Kitsap County Active Member

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    So as long as I have an appropriate comp in my pocket or with a rifle I am "building" I can posess an SBR? I hate to say this OP but if you get the wrong law enforcement official you could be in a world of hurt. Posession of an SBR is a major crime. If someone licensed to work on it had it stolen from their shop then I could see you not really being liable for it but you were in posession of an SBR and had it in your vehicle with the stock attached.

    You could easily be prosecuted for that. (not that I think you should be-don't get me wrong). If I were pulled over with an SBR in the trunk of my vehicle and no pinned extension, I could be prosecuted by the state of WA and Federally. It has happened before.

    Just letting people out there know. Imagine being caught with a suppressor that you didn't have paperwork for? I would get a lawyer.
     
  8. RoundsDownRange

    RoundsDownRange United States Member

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    I can apreciate your concern and advise but I assume the risk in both having possessed the rifle and acknowledging its current condition. I was just being honest, the rifle was unfired and was going to remain as such until made NFA complient.
     
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  9. peetar

    peetar Kitsap County Active Member

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    Alright just to clarify so that folks here are aware of the federal statutes involved so they do not think this is considered "OK" by law enforcement.

    Simple posession of an NFA item is a Federal offense (without the appropriate paperwork). This is true regardless of whether you are being honest or if the weapon has ever been discharged or you had the intent to discharge it.

    If and when Pierce County or another local agency recovers your rifle in a search (or commission of a crime), they are going to see that it is an SBR and are bound by Federal law to report it to the ATF. They will.

    At that point, you will be dealing with them in regards to the NFA staus of your rifle. I just want people here to know this is serious and will VERY likely result in charges being brought on you. The rifle being unfired has no bearing on the situation and if I were you I would assume that there is a 100% chance that if the rifle is found you will be prosecuted federally. Especially since this justice dept is "cracking down" on both dealers and owners for violations of the NFA.

    I know this first hand and know the law. you need to get an attorney ASAP and anyone reading this be forewarned.
     
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  10. lazerblazer

    lazerblazer Portland Active Member

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    Sounds like the gunsmith doesn't care too much for the law or you if he let you have that nfa without paperwork. Maybe he was just high and forgot the laws, it's Washington after all.

    sent from Lazernote
     
  11. mancat

    mancat Kitsap County Well-Known Member

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    Having announced that you built an unregistered SBR, maybe you should just let it go. A $500 converted Saiga costs less than a stint in prison.
     
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  12. peetar

    peetar Kitsap County Active Member

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    I think, sadly, it is too late for that now. :(

    I sincerely hope this all works out.
     
  13. Outdoorxj

    Outdoorxj Wilsonville Active Member

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    ATF got him already? Jk jk I hope not
     
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  14. TwinStick

    TwinStick In the wind Active Member

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    I was wondering when this was going to come up. Good luck, OP. I believe you, but I hope law enforcement doesn't find that rifle before the theif pins the comp on there for you.

    Good looking AK, BTW.
     
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  15. RoundsDownRange

    RoundsDownRange United States Member

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    Thanks twinstick
     
  16. Reno911

    Reno911 Hillsboro Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    As bad as the above sounds I'm pretty sure OP is in a bad spot. Loosing a gun and having said gun be illegal. OP I hate to say it, it may be worth deleting this thread. Removing that picture. Clearing your data. Burn your computer. Leave the state.

    Just kidding.

    I'd call the police and let them know. Better yet call the police and throw the gunsmith under the bus. Sounds like he was aiding in the build, then report it stolen.
     
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  17. RoundsDownRange

    RoundsDownRange United States Member

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    I have made this post in full disclosure and 100% honesty and stand on that marrit. I have council and am well affiliated with LEO's in this county and neighboring. It maybe out of bad taste to some but I have reported this firearm stolen exactly as in have listed it here because I felt it important. Thanks for your support and keeping your heads on a swivel.
     
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  18. rdb241

    rdb241 Puyallup Washington Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    Very well stated. I would just like to add one more thing. You mentioned "intent". The ATF has a catch all charge called "constructive intent". EVEN if the gun is still in the construction stage and can not fire. If you have part "A" that goes with part "B" but are not even in the same place.....ATF can prove constructive intent. Just like the State Patrol has a catch all ticket called "going too fast for the conditions". If they can prove constructive intent, then we truly have mind police.
    Sorry to hear about your bad luck. I live in Puyallup and I will keep a heads up hear. I hope everything works out for you.
     
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  19. Boomerang

    Boomerang Portland area Active Member

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    Being honest is not always enough, unfortunately. For some things you simply *must* follow the letter of the law, however tedious it might be. I am not a lawyer, but it sounds like you didn't follow the "letter of the law", however innocent the mistake may have been. Just like if you want to SBR a rifle, you must file the paperwork and get approval *before* you do the work. Even possessing the parts can be "constructive intent" and get you in trouble.
     
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  20. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Wow, honest? Sorry, RDR, but the government isn't in the "reasonable" business. It's in the push someone's agenda business and the garnering revenue business. Best of luck to you!

    An ancient Chinese proverb says: " It is better to beard the tiger in his den than to approach an official."
     
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