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Steel targets> Concern> side shrapnel

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by 2A2Dend, Feb 27, 2016.

  1. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    Looking for guidance of the safety minded.

    My AR500 targets are here and ready.
    My plan is to hang the targets angled. Slightly angled on chains or straps, top-forward, bottom back,
    The targets will never be moved, as they are on my property.
    The targets will be for handgun only, at a distance +/- 25yds.
    There is an out-building 20ft left. And 150ft to the right, right another structure.
    I have a concern about side fragmentation when the target is hit.

    Given the height of the targets, I'm considering rows of automobile tires, in stacks, 2ft. higher than the targets, on both sides.

    Question> Will the rows of tires be enough to stop side deflection?
     
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  2. Provincial

    Provincial Near Salem, OR Well-Known Member

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    Are you shooting in a very narrow area? If not, side splash should not be an issue.

    Some considerations:
    Gongs suspended from chains or hinges absorb so much energy from the bullet that very little is left to project shrapnel very far. If suspended, the movement of the gong helps deflect some of the shrapnel downward.

    Sillouettes and targets supported by a base seem to absorb as much or more energy as gongs. There doesn't seem to be much of an upward dispersion of shrapnel.

    Before you expend a lot of effort piling tires, brace some cardboard on each side of your targets and see what hits it. Then you can decide what to do.

    If you do use tires, make sure that they don't hold water, which creates a breeding ground for mosquitos. Your range will be a much happier place without the little buggers! :D
     
  3. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    The width of the area and side spray is my concern. I've an out building real close (20ft.) on one side, and the other side a building about 150ft away.
    Your suggestion of cardboard, great advice! I don't "want" a bunch of tires around here if I can avoid it.

    Thanks for your input :)
     
  4. tacticalgunner

    tacticalgunner Wilsonville The Man, The Myth, The Legend Bronze Supporter

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    I deleted them, guess I don't understand your concerns
     
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  5. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    No problem. I may have not placed enough info.
    Your sharing is what counts.

    I added to my original post to make things clearer. Hopefully.
     
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  6. DuneHopper

    DuneHopper Douglas County. Well-Known Member

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    You know for fun, I would take that cardboard and tap some balloons on it it will give you instant feed back and be kind fun. Good way to test .
    BTW, I take it you have a good back stop ? Mountain or something ?
     
  7. Provincial

    Provincial Near Salem, OR Well-Known Member

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    You're welcome!

    If you find that there is enough side splash to worry about, consider hanging pieces of old conveyer belt in the critical spots. It will absorb a lot of impact, and won't hold water, like tires would. ;)
     
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  8. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    Another good "instant" report suggestion.
    Dirt mound as a back drop ;)
     
  9. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    We are of like mind. Conveyor belt. I was thinking the same!
    Question was, will it suffice?

    Again, thanks!
     
  10. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Depends on what you're shooting I guess.
    This guy had all his bases covered and look what happened to him.

     
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  11. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    Sure, that's it. I'm not shooting them now!! You ruined my running gate.
    Don't think so. :D

    Point> One can never be safe enough.
     
  12. dwaineshort

    dwaineshort Vancouver WA Active Member

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    My understanding is they wrote a follow up that said that they didn't have their target angled down.
     
  13. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    I've read many comments concerning how steel targets should be mounted. I'm inexperienced to comment knowingly, but hanging loosely, and angled down makes more sense to me than any other way, if I had only my own judgment.
     
  14. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I'm inclined to believe it was some of that hard rock they were shooting not the actual bullet that came back at them
    What about making a nice rail road tie box around 3 sides of the targets? I like the earthen berm best but if you ever decide to move the operation ties would be easier
     
  15. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    15 degree down angle will direct the splash down
    Sheets of ply board to the sides.
    still won't be 100% effective.
    I get lead bits and jacket material on my shirt.
    I always wear eye protection
     
  16. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    You can hear the round impact on the steel target and at the end of the video, one of the guys states "No more iron".
     
  17. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    The sound of whatever it was, whistled in like a mortar. Whatever it was, was reaction from ricochet. A spent casing perhaps. Who knows.
     
  18. rodell

    rodell Newcastle, WA Active Member

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    Build a box around the target. You can even make it easy to set up.
     
  19. BigLen

    BigLen New Member

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    Tires need to be recycled just remember what you are trying to accomplish. Stopping fragments. Tires are tough stick with dirt!!!
     
  20. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. I gots it sorted ;)
     
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