Somebody PLEASE explain because I don't get it...

[VinnieBoomBah]

I'm not going to get into the weeds with politics, but I have been reading your posts for years, and clearly your definition of conservative is very different from most.

"Liberal" and "conservative" mean very different things to different people, and the general meanings have changed a lot over the decades. Call yourself whatever you like.

cool, well if you ever figure out a way to backup your accusations, feel free to check back in

 

[Koda]

Another thing liberals have successfully done is split conservatives on Trump, all based on lies. Trump does say crass things but thinking about it how does one respond to being lied about, called a fascist, racist and a dictator. How would anyone here respond to such accusations?
I don't believe the Republican party has changed or become extremists. Liberals have moved the goal post so far to the left though that some Republicans have tried to move with it to stay moderate... but its a deceptive manipulation to rebrand anyone who disagrees with liberals as racist etc. Goodwins law is a very powerful manipulation tool.

 

[CLT65]

cool, well if you ever figure out a way to backup your accusations, feel free to check back in

I've made no accusations, only observations. I've made my point, and I think you're about the only one that can't see it. Call yourself whatever you like, but your numerous posts speak for themselves.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

I've made no accusations, only observations. I've made my point, and I think you're about the only one that can't see it. Call yourself whatever you like, but your numerous posts speak for themselves.

cool, well if you ever figure out a way to backup your accusations observations , feel free to check back in.

And I agree, my numerous posts speak to me being a conservative, but not a Trump supporter

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I believe that The Clash...wrote song about this...Should I stay or should I go...?
Or maybe I am thinking of Soft Cell and their song Tainted Love...either could apply here.
Andy

 

[Catfishmoon]

I agree - I am just STUPEFIED Over someone this IGNORANT who would do something this childish and think he would get away with it.

I would assume that more then ten people successfully evade "being caught" for everyone that is actually arrested for an act of vandalism. A better question would be "what allowed this person to be caught when most are not?"

I don't believe the Republican party has changed or become extremists. Liberals have moved the goal post so far to the left though that some Republicans have tried to move with it to stay moderate... but its a deceptive manipulation to rebrand anyone who disagrees with liberals as racist etc. Goodwins law is a very powerful manipulation tool.

I think that it is plenty obvious that both sides have moved farther to the extremes. You can easily see it on the Democratic side by becoming looser on enforcing criminal laws, increasing government subsidies to individuals, endorsement of trans-sexuals in schools, ect...
It is just as easy to see the Republican Party shift to the right. I have found it interesting to watch followers of the newly re-elected President endorse and support Putin's Russia; America's traditional enemy of both Republicans and Democrats for the last 80 years.
Not long ago, people like Mitt Romney, Dick Cheney or John McCain were viewed by most Americans as middle of the road republicans, now most MAGA types refer to them as Rino's, believing that they are not nearly conservative enough...
In my opinion, if a person is taking an honest look, it is pretty obvious that both sides have moved farther from the center. If someone from either side cannot see that, I do question their effort at being objective.

 

[Barefootdog]

I had a woman member of our State of Oregon legislature challenge me in the parking lot of the the North Eugene Walmart because she didn't like a bumper sticker on my pickup bumper.

I was sort of entertained by the bimbos arrogance....invited her to walk along with me to talk it over....She left.

She had come to my front door years earlier begging for my vote....leftist political whores of both sexes are destroying our state.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

I believe that The Clash...wrote song about this...Should I stay or should I go...?
Or maybe I am thinking of Soft Cell and their song Tainted Love...either could apply here.
Andy

Or maybe . . .

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFVMMCwsss

 

[titsonritz]

I remember when this happened, the guy was a libtard from out of state, NY or something. I say bounce the book off his cowardly head.

 

[Koda]

It is just as easy to see the Republican Party shift to the right. I have found it interesting to watch followers of the newly re-elected President endorse and support Putin's Russia; America's traditional enemy of both Republicans and Democrats for the last 80 years.
Not long ago, people like Mitt Romney, Dick Cheney or John McCain were viewed by most Americans as middle of the road republicans, now most MAGA types refer to them as Rino's, believing that they are not nearly conservative enough...

Can you share an example of what is a more conservative policy than normal? And who sides with Russia in their war with Ukraine?

 

[nwslopoke]

Saying you want the war to end is not picking sides or moving farther to the right. People dying in large numbers because the west wants Putin gone, is just stating facts, not picking a side.

If NATO, largely funded and pushed by Biden, hadn't been funding at supplying Ukraine for the past 2 years, what would be the outcome? There would have be a settlement. I think Ukraine would have been better off.

 

[Provincial]

In my experience the great majority of those wanting to abandon Ukraine are those in the middle of the political spectrum. They don't want the nation to spend lives or treasure on foreign ventures. This is exactly like the period just before WWII, and similarly, they don't understand just what is at stake.

True conservatives understand the necessity of keeping the peace by discouraging those who would benefit from war. That involves both strength at home and strong alliances abroad with fully committed allies.

The problem is that our allies have grown soft and lacked commitment. Some fell for the lure of cheap oil and natural gas. Most spent their treasure on progressive ideals and buying votes. Now the wolf is at the door, and they haven't even installed or maintained a door latch. They cringe behind the flimsy door, watching the wolf eat their neighbor, and beg for the woodsman to come with his ax and protect them. Of course, they opposed the woodsman cutting trees, so his ax is rusty and dull. He is reluctant to risk himself to protect those who disrespected him. If he did kill the wolf, would the neighbors praise and reward him, or would they continue their self-indulgent ways and continue to disrespect him?

 

[3MTA3]

OK, while doing some housework earlier today I was flipping around on some YT vids for background noise when I lit on on a body cam arrest vid of some LEOs in FL arresting a guy who was VIDEOED key scratching a vehicle because it had a 'Lets go Brandon' bumper sticker on it.

OK, LEOs go to the guys house, (nice place ) show him the video, he ADMITS to doing it, puts up NO resistance, is arrested and told he will spend the night in jail and will bond out or be released the following day after arraignment.

OK, this guy was NOT some kid - late 50's early 60's and his wife (or whatever woman was with him) seemed confused (but not arguing the situation) and he was hauled away.

Who in his rational, right mind, would EVER do something like this over something as stupid as a bumper sticker????

If I were to post that I voted Trump and why on social media I can think of about a half dozen people in my social network that would be likely to so similar to my truck or even have a physical confrontation. Three of them are still having daily meltdowns over the results including one who was an elected official. It's like they are stuck in loop between the first two stages of grief. Some people never truly make it to adulthood.

 

[Koda]

One of a few articles Ive read discussing the shift of Democrats further left while the Republicans remains the same. Note how similar this chart is to the meme cartoon I shared in post 102.

Trump broke the Democrats’ thermostat

The American left was sent spinning in 2016 and is yet to recalibrate

www.ft.com

 

[Provincial]

On the discussion of the undervote, which is the people registered to vote, but didn't, it breaks down this way:

A.- None of the Above (they are both bad, so whoever wins will be harmful to me)

B.- Both of the Above (I don't see any difference, so won't bother to vote)

C.- I Don't Care, so Go Away

Most of those who didn't register to vote fall into Category C.

 

[CLT65]

cool, well if you ever figure out a way to backup your accusations observations , feel free to check back in.

And I agree, my numerous posts speak to me being a conservative, but not a Trump supporter

You want evidence? I have no evidence; I don't know you personally, or anything about you beyond what you post here. I didn't intend to accuse or attack you personally, and if I came across that way, I apologize.

As for observations, I don't recall any of your posts that criticized something on the left, or failed to criticize something on the right, I've seen you mock conservative sources, and offer left-leaning sources as support. I've seen you "like" liberal posts, and "laugh at" conservative ones, and never the other way around. Those are just basic observations, and my conclusions about those observations seemed reasonable.

I'm willing to admit that I might have misread you. Your brand of "conservatism" is not something I'm used to.

 

[Catfishmoon]

Can you share an example of what is a more conservative policy than normal? And who sides with Russia in their war with Ukraine?

The push for a stronger, central role for religion (particularly Christianity) in society and government quickly comes to mind. Witnessed by the recent Federal restrictions on abortion access and ongoing efforts to include religious teachings in the public school system. This is a change from the idea of "separation of church and state"...
Not saying that I am personally opposed to religious ideas or teaching, just answering your question...
As far as the "who sides with Russia" question, there are literally dozens (if not more) of postings of that very nature on this website.
Based upon comments of the party that will hold power, decreased funding is likely to happen to the current level of US financial support of Ukraine when the results of the recent election come into effect..

 

[nwslopoke]

In my experience the great majority of those wanting to abandon Ukraine are those in the middle of the political spectrum. They don't want the nation to spend lives or treasure on foreign ventures. This is exactly like the period just before WWII, and similarly, they don't understand just what is at stake.

True conservatives understand the necessity of keeping the peace by discouraging those who would benefit from war. That involves both strength at home and strong alliances abroad with fully committed allies.

The problem is that our allies have grown soft and lacked commitment. Some fell for the lure of cheap oil and natural gas. Most spent their treasure on progressive ideals and buying votes. Now the wolf is at the door, and they haven't even installed or maintained a door latch. They cringe behind the flimsy door, watching the wolf eat their neighbor, and beg for the woodsman to come with his ax and protect them. Of course, they opposed the woodsman cutting trees, so his ax is rusty and dull. He is reluctant to risk himself to protect those who disrespected him. If he did kill the wolf, would the neighbors praise and reward him, or would they continue their self-indulgent ways and continue to disrespect him?

Is that what's happening? I don't think that's close to what's happening. Best case in 2014, Obama says, "Putin, we're coming with a big can of bubblegum". But that never happened. Why? Ukraine didn't even fight for Crimea. Why? Why didn't Ukraine bolster it's defenses after 2014? As you say, the wolf is at the door.

I am neither Russian or Ukrainian. I only know what I read, which is very polarized. When I fill in the blanks and sprinkle in my military experience that showed it would take the whole of NATO to defeat Russia, which NATO has clearly shown it is unwilling to do, the smaller, less equipped, poorly lead Ukraine should make a deal, from everything I see.

That is not based on WW2 or my party affiliation. It's been over 10 years. If not for the west egging on Ukraine the fight would have been over a long time ago. I don't see a way Ukraine wins (pushing Russia back to pre 2014) without the west entering all in. Guess who's not going all in?

 

[Koda]

The push for a stronger, central role for religion (particularly Christianity) in society and government quickly comes to mind. Witnessed by the recent Federal restrictions on abortion access and ongoing efforts to include religious teachings in the public school system. This is a change from the idea of "separation of church and state"...
Not saying that I am personally opposed to religious ideas or teaching, just answering your question...
As far as the "who sides with Russia" question, there are literally dozens (if not more) of postings of that very nature on this website.
Based upon comments of the party that will hold power, decreased funding is likely to happen to the current level of US financial support of Ukraine when the results of the recent election come into effect..

The Republican Christians have always promoted a Christian state thats not a recent shift to the right at all. The problem with their strategy is the 1st Amendment, the few attempts that pass, if challenged will be ruled unconstitutional. Regardless, this is not a new thing with Republicans at all, not a sudden shift.

As for the Ukraine war, not wanting us to be involved is not the same thing as supporting Putin or Russia. I have not seen anyone suggest we support Russias war.

Im listening, but need more than that to believe the right has shifted farther right.

 

[Catfishmoon]

As for the Ukraine war, not wanting us to be involved is not the same thing as supporting Putin or Russia. I have not seen anyone suggest we support Russias war.

If that's the conclusion you reach after reading the posts, that's your opinion.
My conclusion is different.