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I did too Broncman, I lived not to far down 26.
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Since I moved to the Chehalis basin in Grays Harbor in 1995, I have attended MANY meetings and have talked to biologists in region 6. I have done my share of bubblegumin & complaining to the WDFW with no compromise in sight. They will do what they want no matter the amount of public input we give them, they have already made uo their minds B-4 the meetings!!!
I think mainly this is the response for the Native Fish Society and their lawsuits wishing to close the hatchery programs which have kept the population intact despite commercial over-harvesting and various other detrimental factors.
Mankind would have eaten the last fish long ago without hatcheries. Looked what happened to Elk.
And now this,, today there was a trackhoe sitting in the middle of the Salmon river building a new fish wier to STOP ALL upstream migration of Chinook that are fin clipped. This has gone on long enough, the Native vs Hatchery fish has just hit a new low down here on the coast and I intend to do all that I can legally do to stop this.
The intent (according to them) is to only allow "wild" non clipped fish upstream of the hatchery, and that only represents approx. 6% of the run. So there goes any revenues for the local tackle shops upstream and a big flush down the drain of My, Your, OUR tax dollars that went to fund the raising of these smolt.
The hatchery fish will be destroyed and any opportunity to catch them will be gone for the upper 9 miles of river that lays between the hatchery and the deadline upstream, the hatchery is at the upper edge of tidewater, so this represents most of the attainable public access fishing chances.
I find this to be a deplorable waist of our tax dollars and I intend to fight back in any way "legally" possible.
Starting Monday morning There will be calls placed to elected officials that represent this area, and to news crews that just love a jucy story about fish being clubbed,, thats the key word to use folks, CLUBBED.
All of this in the name of an unproven science and theory, decissions made by those that feel they know best on how our resources should be managed and our funds spent.
Any calls and remarks to your, our, my elected folks by you good people would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
Problem is there has been too much inbreeding, among the science types .
So I have a question for all of you. How come not one of you has spoken of the terrible injustice bestowed on the Salmon and Steelhead? It is called the endangered species list. When we have something on that list the Feds tie all state and local hands in trying to do anything to improve the runs.
Also the rivers and streams that have been labeled natural and scenic across the country. I know the Salmon river on Mt.Hood was put on it 16 or so years ago and it is an all but dead river now.
I wish we could go back 20 years and change everything as the river I grew up fishing doesn't even have trout to catch that are worth fishing for and my son won't be able to enjoy it the way I did.
Things like the ES listing and attempting to get back to Native fish only will and are dooming the fish we have to extinction and NO ONE WILL EVENTUALLY BE ALLOWED TO CATCH A DAMNED THING.
It is and has been headed that way in more boil the frog techniques, for the past 40 years now.
Ignore it and you might as well sell your rods and reels. Pure fact !!!!
First thing to do is make the ODFW Biologist activists an endangered species and I am serious.
Clean house or lose it all.
Hey Bronc,
We have to stay involved, NFS has tried to close the Sandy River Cedar Creek Hatchery...In the early 60's (or there close to), one could not fish the Sandy for Springers, Then came the Mitchell act, and that hatchery.
I knew people that were 94 years, before he passed, that told me about the Sandy being closed to fishing prior to that hatchery being put in place. He grew up in Springdale if you know where that is.
The thing I liked about the video the most is they have proven by new techniques to get rid of medications, and such to make strong smolt releases. It is a process called oxygenation in the water that nearly gets rid of the need to medicate smolts.
The other thing is the NFS is using in their lawsuits is what is called the Hood River study, the video shows how false that is. Yet we let them cut down smolt releases from the hatchery.
We definately have to stay on our Guberment if we want a fishery in the future. New York or somewhere on the Atlantic, It has gone the Wild and Scenic route. They have a run below 600 fish and guess what you can go take a shot at it with a CAMERA!
Any one here know the story of Meldrum's Bar? We just recently almost got another fee park, launch had some local people not spoke up at the Gladstone City town hall meetings.
Also when you give power to recover the specie from the Federal Gov. to State Gov. you will see something interesting happen.
The move allows the state to manage the resource for the most financial gain, instead of complete recovery. Check the laws and statements by our Guberment. You will find I speak the truth.
I didn't hear about that one, what a crock. More thieving taxers. Crooks all of them. That is and has been a free park, ramp and fishing spot for as far back as I can remember, and that is many many decades.
That is the californication suppository they are pushing up here.
A man with the name Bill told me about the Meldrum's Deal. They were going to put a fee on the park there and a number of people spoke up and informed City Hall that it was in the Contract, Or Title Transfer from the Meldrum Family that would donate the land for the people to use contingent that they never charge a fee.
Some how the city could not locate the documents at first. WE THE PEOPLE WON, so far. Older locals who knew the Meldrum Family and the deal originally struck and spoke up and out.
That is why we should never become complacent. They have been able to manage with maintenance without a fee. Its still open to the public because the TRUTH PREVAILS AGAINST THE TYRANTS.
Heck I do not even believe them city counselors and such even where aware of their actions, their tyranny. It how they are trained in schools and colleges now.
My 4 year old daughter is obsessed with fishing. She pretends to fish off the couch in our living room. Why haven't I taken her trout fishing, like my dad did me at that age? Because it's darned difficult to teach a 4 year old to fly fish. Thanks to all the morons out there who insist on a "pure" experience, kids have a very difficult time learning how to fish in Oregon. Jerks!!!Broncman, you can thank the jack wagon at the Welches fly shop for that. He petitioned to get the entire river closed to anything but fly fishing, then to have only a wild fishery. You should stop in and tell them your feelings. He started this approx. 25 years ago, then moved to the Clackamas river to make it a fly fishing only all through the upper stretches.
My 4 year old daughter is obsessed with fishing. She pretends to fish off the couch in our living room. Why haven't I taken her trout fishing, like my dad did me at that age? Because it's darned difficult to teach a 4 year old to fly fish. Thanks to all the morons out there who insist on a "pure" experience, kids have a very difficult time learning how to fish in Oregon. Jerks!!!