SIG P-320, redux...

[1775usmc]

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There are tons of examples of trigger dongles with no rake. There are tons of ways a dongle can snag even if there is rake. It is incorrect to claim that trigger dongles protect against some trigger pulls without also acknowledging that the can contribute to others.

Yea. Straight triggers with "dongles."

Congrats. You can do a google search just like me.

 

[TTSX]

I'd really like to know how a dongle could possibly contribute to an unintentional trigger pull. There is no way one of those makes the trigger even more pull-able

 

[lucusloc]

I think @1775usmc has been telling you that for several pages now.

. . .Yes, that is the nature of the dig I was making. I do not find such a position to be admirable at all. Rather I find that holding such dogma to be a particularly irksome character flaw.

A person's own experience with a platform is fine. Their own personal opinion of a manufacturer is fine. Spreading objectively false information about either is not fine. There has been a lot of objectively false information on the subject, not just in these threads but everywhere.

 

[1775usmc]

. . .Yes, that is the nature of the dig I was making. I do not find such a position to be admirable at all. Rather I find that holding such dogma to be a particularly irksome character flaw.

A person's own experience with a platform is fine. Their own personal opinion of a manufacturer is fine. Spreading objectively false information about either is not fine. There has been a lot of objectively false information on the subject, not just in these threads but everywhere.

So righteous. The fact that you think I care…. Is comical.

It's the internet.

 

[lucusloc]

So righteous. The fact that you think I care…. Is comical.

The fact that you still think I care just shows you are not reading my prior comments. I am not here to convince you, just set the record straight.

Again, truth only dies if no one defends it.

 

[TTSX]

If a p320 shoots it's owner's dick off in the woods and nobody was around, was it still Glock's fault?

 

[1775usmc]

The fact that you still think I care just shows you are not reading my prior comments. I am not here to convince you, just set the record straight.

Again, truth only dies if no one defends it.

lol. So every time I post, you post.

This could be fun.

 

[1775usmc]

If a p320 shoots it's owner's dick off in the woods and nobody was around, was it still Glock's fault?

Do people who carry P320s have dicks?

 

[lucusloc]

lol. So every time I post, you post.

This could be fun.

That is the nature of online conversations in a forum, yes. When I no longer have anything to contribute I stop posting. But if this somehow got to be a competition about who gets the last word without me knowing it please

 

[DirectDrive]

Do people who carry P320s have dicks?

If they're Glock refugees then they'll have to get the Mick Dundee check.

 

[1775usmc]

That is the nature of online conversations in a forum, yes. When I no longer have anything to contribute I stop posting. But if this somehow got to be a competition about who gets the last word without me knowing it please
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[Koda]

I'd really like to know how a dongle could possibly contribute to an unintentional trigger pull. There is no way one of those makes the trigger even more pull-able

I dont recall anyone making that claim here?
Trigger tabs are only designed to prevent inertia discharge.

 

[lucusloc]

I dont recall anyone making that claim here?
Trigger tabs are only designed to prevent inertia discharge.

The point I made was that for every case where a trigger dongle prevented an accidental trigger pull (by blocking the trigger when some FOD pulled on it without depressing the dongle) can be countered with an example of the trigger dongle contributing to an unintentional trigger pull (e.g. as a snag when the FOD would have otherwise slid off without pulling the trigger).

And my more pointed point to that whole conversation was not to relying on a "safety device" when that "safety" happens by accident, as the "accident" can work against you exactly as much as it works for you.

Trigger dongles are not trigger safeties. They should not be relied upon as such even if it is for "accidental edge cases."

 

[Koda]

The point I made was that for every case where a trigger dongle prevented an accidental trigger pull (by blocking the trigger when some FOD pulled on it without depressing the dongle) can be countered with an example of the trigger dongle contributing to an unintentional trigger pull (e.g. as a snag when the FOD would have otherwise slid off without pulling the trigger).

And my more pointed point to that whole conversation was not to relying on a "safety device" when that "safety" happens by accident, as the "accident" can work against you exactly as much as it works for you.

Trigger dongles are not trigger safeties. They should not be relied upon as such even if it is for "accidental edge cases."

Ah, got it.. thank you for 5he recap.
Kinda like my gaff about pulling triggers straight back instead of from the side... as if they were designed to be pulled from some potential off angle.
The trigger tabs are often misunderstood by even very experienced gun enthusiasts, but it was never designed to prevent obstacles from pulling the trigger.
I recall when Glock was still new there were several incidents where people put them loaded in backpacks, duffle bags, pockets etc thinking the trigger tab was a pull safety and several ND stories resulted.

 

[1775usmc]

The point I made was that for every case where a trigger dongle prevented an accidental trigger pull (by blocking the trigger when some FOD pulled on it without depressing the dongle) can be countered with an example of the trigger dongle contributing to an unintentional trigger pull (e.g. as a snag when the FOD would have otherwise slid off without pulling the trigger).

And my more pointed point to that whole conversation was not to relying on a "safety device" when that "safety" happens by accident, as the "accident" can work against you exactly as much as it works for you.

Trigger dongles are not trigger safeties. They should not be relied upon as such even if it is for "accidental edge cases."

This is the dumbest thing I've read today. Other than the P320 is safe.

 

[DirectDrive]

I dont recall anyone making that claim here?
Trigger tabs are only designed to prevent inertia discharge.

Yes, originally designed as an inertia safety.
They don't always ward off other conditions...

Here's a firearms instructor tucking in his G43 :

View: https://youtu.be/GFUsA5gq1Cw?feature=shared

 

[1775usmc]

Yes, originally designed as an inertia safety.
They don't always ward off other conditions...

Here's a firearms instructor tucking in his G43 :

View: https://youtu.be/GFUsA5gq1Cw?feature=shared

Yup. That's a common video on another Glock forum. His undershirt was tucked in the holster with the gun. He's an idiot.

Unfortunately we can't get rid of incompetence.

 

[Koda]

Yes, originally designed as an inertia safety.
They don't always ward off other conditions...

Here's a firearms instructor tucking in his G43 :

View: https://youtu.be/GFUsA5gq1Cw?feature=shared

Funny his gun went off in the holster "uncommanded" and it wasnt a Sig thats only a Sig problem.....

~sarcasm

 

[lucusloc]

Funny his gun went off in the holster "uncommanded" and it wasnt a Sig thats only a Sig problem.....

~sarcasm

And that is because the excuses aren't made based on the facts of the situation, they are made based on the brand of the gun. That is the most logical and principled position to take doncha know.

 

[Koda]

And that is because the excuses aren't made based on the facts of the situation, they are made based on the brand of the gun. That is the most logical and principled position to take doncha know.

And suddenly when its not a Sig the blame is shifted to the person.
It even had a trigger dongle...