SIG P-320, redux...

[lucusloc]

And suddenly when its not a Sig the blame is shifted to the person.
It even had a trigger dongle...

I know! Those can (sometimes!) prevent unintentional trigger pulls from FOD, which is why so many Sigs have holster discharged from FOD. If they just had a dongle (some of!) those would be mitigated. Sig is negligent for not including one! (but none of the other companies that don't include on either are, that is just a normal design choice for them)

 

[1775usmc]

I know! Those can (sometimes!) prevent unintentional trigger pulls from FOD, which is why so many Sigs have holster discharged from FOD. If they just had a dongle (some of!) those would be mitigated. Sig is negligent for not including one! (but none of the other companies that don't include on either are, that is just a normal design choice for them)

None of the other companies have guns in duty holsters going off on video either. I'm not talking about going off while being holstered or unholstered. I'm talking about sitting in a holster and half way through the day discharging while no hands are on the gun.

And if you're one example is the above video with the G43 we already know what caused that. A caught undershirt a complacent end user. Who has described in detail what happened.

I'd love to see videos like the ones we have of the P320 going off while secure in a duty holster. M&P, Glock, HK, etc. I don't care about the brand. Not articles or claims. Actual video footage. Of a gun not being touched by anyone discharging.

I think SIG has cornered the market on that one.

If I start seeing those and they appear the same as the P320 I will quit carrying a Glock too.

 

[DirectDrive]

Funny his gun went off in the holster "uncommanded" and it wasnt a Sig thats only a Sig problem.....

~sarcasm

That's just mean.

 

[1775usmc]

I know! Those can (sometimes!) prevent unintentional trigger pulls from FOD, which is why so many Sigs have holster discharged from FOD. If they just had a dongle (some of!) those would be mitigated. Sig is negligent for not including one! (but none of the other companies that don't include on either are, that is just a normal design choice for them)

That "dingle" is a trigger safety. Says so on Glocks website. The drop safety is #3

 

[TTSX]

That "dingle" is a trigger safety. Says so on Glocks website. The drop safety is #3

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Well..... Crap. There goes several very long, very wordy posts... About how Glock's trigger safety isn't a trigger safety

 

[1775usmc]

Well..... Crap. There goes several very long, very wordy posts... About how Glock's trigger safety isn't a trigger safety

No sh!t. I knew I wasn't going crazy. lol. All these SIG guys are dumbing me down. Haha.

I refuse to get to that level. Haha.

 

[lucusloc]

None of the other companies have guns in duty holsters going off on video either. I'm not talking about going off while being holstered or unholstered. I'm talking about sitting in a holster and half way through the day discharging while no hands are on the gun.

And if you're one example is the above video with the G43 we already know what caused that. A caught undershirt a complacent end user. Who has described in detail what happened.

I'd love to see videos like the ones we have of the P320 going off while secure in a duty holster. M&P, Glock, HK, etc. I don't care about the brand. Not articles or claims. Actual video footage. Of a gun not being touched by anyone discharging.

I think SIG has cornered the market on that one.

If I start seeing those and they appear the same as the P320 I will quit carrying a Glock too.

Done:

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Glock in a duty holster goes off "on it's own"

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ENT2X4TeZIM


G43 discharges in holster on its own.

Then you have older articles like this from before the "cameras everywhere!" age:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/dcpolice/deadlyforce/police4page1.htm

Now I already know you are going to excuse these incidents because "we know what caused them" (which is true) but the point I always make is "why not give the same excuse to Sig when we know how those guns went off too? So far every Sig video I know of has been explained as some kind of FOD in a duty holster. But for some reason when it happens to a Glock its the FOD's fault, when it happens to Sig its Sig's.

 

[1775usmc]

Done:

WTHR

WTHR 13NEWS is the news leader for Indianapolis and central Indiana. Get the latest news and breaking news.

www.wthr.com

Glock in a duty holster goes off "on it's own"

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ENT2X4TeZIM


G43 discharges in holster on its own.

Then you have older articles like this from before the "cameras everywhere!" age:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/dcpolice/deadlyforce/police4page1.htm

Now I already know you are going to excuse these incidents because "we know what caused them" (which is true) but the point I always make is "why not give the same excuse to Sig when we know how those guns went off too? So far every Sig video I know of has been explained as some kind of FOD in a duty holster. But for some reason when it happens to a Glock its the FOD's fault, when it happens to Sig its Sig's.

Go back and read. That's the exact same video I already discussed. I also said duty holster.

I will give the same grace to SIG. If we knew what caused them. But we don't..

 

[Koda]

Well there it finally is folks, the evidence weve all been waiting on.... Glock uses a real trigger safety.

...and bonus you can all toss them loaded in your gym bag now too. Win win.

 

[1775usmc]

Well there it finally is folks, the evidence weve all been waiting on.... Glock uses a real trigger safety.

...and bonus you can all toss them loaded in your gym bag now too. Win win.

Please don't do that

 

[lucusloc]

That "dingle" is a trigger safety. Says so on Glocks website. The drop safety is #3

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The Safe Action System (tm) is multiple independent devices. This is what it says about the dongle itself:

Trigger Safety

The trigger safety is the first safety in the firing sequence. It's incorporated into the trigger in the form of a lever and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. If the trigger safety is not depressed, the trigger will not move rearwards and allow the pistol to fire.
The trigger safety is designed to prevent the pistol from firing if it's dropped or if the trigger is subjected to any pressure that isn't a direct firing pull.

(emphasis mine). You can argue about what they mean when they say "isn't a direct firing pull" but it probably doesn't mean "something pressing on the face of the trigger."

 

[1775usmc]

Shuffle. Shuffle. Shuffle.

 

[lucusloc]

Go back and read. That's the exact same video I already discussed. I also said duty holster.

I will give the same grace to SIG. If we knew what caused them. But we don't..

there are three links in that post. The first on is in a duty holster. The last one discusses over 120 separate incidents of various kinds. Ignoring evidence does not make you right.

 

[1775usmc]

there are three links in that post. The first on is in a duty holster. The last one discusses over 120 separate incidents of various kinds. Ignoring evidence does not make you right.

From a mile away. Try again.

 

[DirectDrive]

Can we at least agree that it's called a Trigger Safety or the slang, Trigger Dingus ?
A dongle is a computer cabling thing.

It could be a start ?

 

[Koda]

No where does Glock say their trigger safety prevents obstructions from pulling the trigger.

 

[1775usmc]

there are three links in that post. The first on is in a duty holster. The last one discusses over 120 separate incidents of various kinds. Ignoring evidence does not make you right.

I'd buy into the idea that cameras weren't around back then. But Glocks are just a prevalent now as they were back then. And if they were/are going off at the same rate SIGs are (in DUTY holsters) there would be video proof. The equivalent of what has been recorded with the P320.

And magically there isn't.

 

[1775usmc]

No where does Glock say their trigger safety prevents obstructions from pulling the trigger.

No but it does say protection from lateral pressure. So if something is grabbing/contacting/pressing the trigger from an angle the trigger will not engage. The same can't be said about the P320.

 

[lucusloc]

Can we at least agree that it's called a Trigger Safety or the slang, Trigger Dingus ?
A dongle is a computer cabling thing.

It could be a start ?

I agree that is what Glock calls it, and that it is a decent name for it since, you know, it is on the trigger and it is a safety device. But that is also what causes a lot of the confusion, as people are equating "trigger safety" with "makes the trigger safe (from being pulled)." It does not do that. If you pull the trigger the gun will go off.

On a wider discussion I think this is also a PR slip up from Glock, and they have been bit by this in the past. Glock reportedly settles lots of cases over discharges, but usually does so with NDAs as part of the condition so we never hear about them.

I really want access to a law service to search, but those do run quite a bit of money to access.

 

[1775usmc]

Shuffle. Shuffle. Shuffle.