Shoot back or not?

[Alexx1401]

Well, I wasn't thinking 'scum' so much as opposed to say IF LEO were at my door and I did NOT know why, OR if they were indicating something I didn't feel like answering the door for - especially if it was after dark or late at night.

I'd rather maybe 'hide' outside (or in my shop) until they decided (or thought) I wasn't there then after they left call THEM and ask what they wanted.

As far as 'scum' I have many options to either stay hidden or flee to avoid contact with them.

If I were to make contact with LEO outside I could simply set my gun down and approach them on MY choosing....

I have already once made 'contact' with LEO outside while armed during my burglary of several years ago and all they asked when in my driveway was that I clear my weapon before they approached. All they asked when they approached me was to show them it was clear and that was it.

It may not 'work' for everyone or be an option but in my case leaving out my back door offers me MANY options to avoid being seen and to avoid having to deal with anybody at the door or if they were to break in.

OK, that's a whole different thing there. I have camera's so if they were knocking and I did not wish to talk I would just ignore them and see if they leave. I have seen some rather humorous video of LEO's at some door. Owner talking to them through camera. Telling them no, I am not going to open the door for you.

 

[Koda]

Super rare but the only case law I know of was a guy who shot an officer in self defense and was acquitted because the officer was off duty and drew first. Note, he still went to trial over it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596335273482518528

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Going to the door at night while holding a clearly visible firearm

Ive heard many people insist this is their right regardless of the risk of being mistaken for a suspect.

 

[Juniper9mm]

Best to remember, carrying does not make you an LEO...

Exactly. Whether I'm carrying or not I'll always be a Virgo. I can't change that.

 

[bcp]

"Exit out the back door"

...and you're sure they don't have a couple of guys out back waiting for that?

Bruce

 

[oldmercsrule]

No way. As others have said you need to deal with this situation in court, and be alive to make said arguments.

 

[MannyGlocks]

"Exit out the back door"?

Of your own home?

Hell NO!!

When it comes to some 'home invader' working at invading my home, it would be prudent for said home invader to..."Enter at your risk".....I'm not going anywhere...

 

[RVTECH]

...and you're sure they don't have a couple of guys out back waiting for that?

Well, if they did I guess my idea wouldn't work them however I would certainly LOOK outside before I headed out the back HOWEVER in MOST of the situations I have seen about things like this they (LEOs or Scum) rarely have anyone at the back door.

 

[MannyGlocks]

"No way. As others have said you need to deal with this situation in court, and be alive to make said arguments."

Color me confused.

Are you stating: If attacked do nothing...and hope you're successful in court...if you survive?

Or, have I got that wrong?

 

[Alexx1401]

"No way. As others have said you need to deal with this situation in court, and be alive to make said arguments."

Color me confused.

Are you stating: If attacked do nothing...and hope you're successful in court...if you survive?

Or, have I got that wrong?

How many cases can you find where LEO's are shooting at some "innocent"? Where the innocent could possibly shoot back and save their life? What I keep seeing is LEO's show up and someone then decides to pull a weapon and or start firing at the LEO's first. If LEO's are shooting at you not much chance you are going to "outgun" them and win the battle. Anyone who believes this has been watching too much TV.

 

[Knobgoblin]

How many cases can you find where LEO's are shooting at some "innocent"? Where the innocent could possibly shoot back and save their life? What I keep seeing is LEO's show up and someone then decides to pull a weapon and or start firing at the LEO's first. If LEO's are shooting at you not much chance you are going to "outgun" them and win the battle. Anyone who believes this has been watching too much TV.

You make an excellent case for crew served weapons in the foyer.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Shooting back at cops has very predictable results for you imo, whether it's "justified" or not.

I would look to another alternative. Pretty much any alternative is going to be a better choice imo.

If you shoot you give cops pretty much only one option, to kill you. 2 cents…

 

[MTpockets]

If you are concerned with bullets....Aimed or Astray....



... TRY Certaindeaf's Own - Murder-Bum Tested Traffic Barrels

 

[titsonritz]

I can think of few situations that lead be incoming that it would not be outgoing as well, but perhaps I haven't considered everything nor would I give a sh!t at the moment.

 

[oldmercsrule]

"No way. As others have said you need to deal with this situation in court, and be alive to make said arguments."

Color me confused.

Are you stating: If attacked do nothing...and hope you're successful in court...if you survive?

Or, have I got that wrong?

On fictitious hypothetical situations: you are always gonna be confused, so that color absolutely fits.

Bottom line: I was trying to get to ten posts to become a full member and thought a post here would help that end.

I did not view or read all of the set up to this hypothetical situation prior to posting, nor am I gonna now.

I am a law abiding individual, and I don't brandish firearms, nor would I shoot anyone unless my life were clearly threatened.

The likelihood of LEOs approaching me guns blazing without provocation, (I would never provoke such a confrontation), is zero unless society has collapsed and I am on my island protecting myself and my family.

I have stored food, (et al), and all the necessary items for survival on my island, and I will protect myself and family if we are threatened.

If a clearly deranged out of control LEO is trying to kill me or my family I will defend myself anyway I can. On the other hand: if the LEO's have mistaken me for some perp and order me to stand down I will. I hope that fills in the color for you.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

To shoot or not to shoot...
That is the question .
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to to suffer
The bullets and gas of outrageous fortune ,
Or take arms against a sea of law enforcement

While I have no doubt mistakes happen in regards to law enforcement.
I would suggest that you let that mistake happen...and sort it out later , in court....

As opposed to making a last stand and dying.

In any event....
Speaking only for myself here....
I find the premise here so very unlikely that I ain't worried 'bout it.
Andy

 

[Spitpatch]

A little fracas in St. Johns/N Portland about 40 years ago at a biker house gave the Portland Police a not-so-cheap education on no-knock entry.

 

[MannyGlocks]

Somewhere in posting mixup , if you will, I was addressing 'home invaders' and how, like Davey C at the Alamo, I'm staying and resisting...I'll not be scared out of my home...

 

[horsepowervtg]

I guess it depends on circumstances but I'd avoid firing back at all cost. It would most likely end with you being gunned down one way or another

 

[Nosferatu]

The process is the punishment. Even if you do come though the legal system acquitted, expect to be unemployed, in hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and staring at bankruptcy.

The years of your life spent battling this will come with persona anguish and probably relationship changes.

You may have 'won', but you won't be a winner by the time the system is done with you.

 

[Stomper]

To shoot or not to shoot...
That is the question .
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to to suffer
The bullets and gas of outrageous fortune ,
Or take arms against a sea of law enforcement

While I have no doubt mistakes happen in regards to law enforcement.
I would suggest that you let that mistake happen...and sort it out later , in court....

As opposed to making a last stand and dying.

In any event....
Speaking only for myself here....
I find the premise here so very unlikely that I ain't worried 'bout it.
Andy

Sounds like you were quoting, "Shakespeer"....


Get it, "Speer"? The bullet manufacturer?









Hello, is this thing on?















OK, back to our endless pontificating on...... pontificating.