Oregon Senate 243C and HB 3076 Commentary

[jayR]

"I still enjoy being able to carry (about to renew my 4th permit) because it's a right."

How far have we fallen ?

 

[Barefootdog]

Erroneous post...deleted.

 

[BanjoGeek]

I am an absolutist on 2A and quite frankly I don't see gun owners being a problem. I see gang bangers creating 99% of the gun violence (and it is not an epidemic by any stretch of the word) and a very lenient legal system. Law abiding gun owners in Oregon pay the price for their irresponsibility. What is needed here in Oregon is for the voters to remove this communist/nazi hold on our law making body. Only we can prevent that and if that doesn't happen take a close look at eastern Europe 1939.

 

[PiratePast40]

I am an absolutist on 2A and quite frankly I don't see gun owners being a problem. I see gang bangers creating 99% of the gun violence (and it is not an epidemic by any stretch of the word) and a very lenient legal system. Law abiding gun owners in Oregon pay the price for their irresponsibility. What is needed here in Oregon is for the voters to remove this communist/nazi hold on our law making body. Only we can prevent that and if that doesn't happen take a close look at eastern Europe 1939.

I agree that I'm sick and tired of being slandered and punished by arrogant lawmakers when a bunch of illegal gang bangers shoot each other.

 

[OneArgus]

To rebuttal.
I have lived in Oregon about 30 years and heavily involved in firearms and rights.
What I think some of the comments seem to think, I condone anti-gun movement or tolerate it.
The great thing about being a member here is no one is required to disclose whom they are.
That said all Oregon residents are enjoying a specific 2nd Amendment right because of me.
So I do know more then most what these Antis think. I went to battle with them, so rest assure
these comments are tame by comparison.
What I do hear in the comments is the 2nd Amendment brotherhood. OK?
So, lets count how many rights we lost in just 15 years. I'll wait. And then tell me again how powerful the gun owners are.
So lets keep it civil folks. I know what I am talking about. And knew feathers would get ruffled. Maybe they need to be.
This group has done well brining non-gun owners into the world of Firearms. It quite amazing what some members have done.
That said, gathering, rallies with like minded people is fun. But accomplishes nothing.
All of us here will be dead in 50 year or less. I used to ride my Bike in California with a 22lr strapped to the handle bars.
Yep I am a transplant about 30 years ago when I got tired of the BS there. California was amazing as a kid.
I had more gun rights as kid then most of the adult in Oregon today. So yes it does and can happen.
So I know exactly the same mentality that thought, we know better and we got this lost just about everything.
All those who fought in Oregon for gun rights got old and died and then antis took over. Just like they are here.
Guess we can wear blinders and ignore that we have any responsibility for the outcome.
Because we have our rights by golly. Californians had rights just like all of us. You have to have right to lose them.
And once lost, it impossible to go back. Be nice if we could just be left alone and enjoy our rights.
Open carry in California once was normal, and Oregon once was normal Let all that think in before you shoot this messenger.
There was a guy in this group I think 2011 and wrote what I did similar. Marine Veteran was about the age I am now.
I remembered thinking he had no idea what he was talking about. I look back now and wish we all heard his words.
We didn't and here we are.

 

[raftman]

Democratic lawmakers can suck a sack of peckers.......

Either something is wrong with the quote function on this site or I'm being misquoted but I never said the thing you're responding to. In fact I hadn't said anything in this thread at all up to this point. I would never suggest Dem lawmakers in Oregon would ever say anything honest.

 

[Barefootdog]

Either something is wrong with the quote function on this site or I'm being misquoted but I never said the thing you're responding to. In fact I hadn't said anything in this thread at all up to this point. I would never suggest Dem lawmakers in Oregon would ever say anything honest.

My apologies.....No idea how that quote became associated with you.....completely unintentional.

Maybe I should delete and try again for better a results. Again....apologies.

I deleted my comment....

I'm embarrassed.....

 

[Croat]

I respect what OneArgus wrote for two reasons. He (presumably "he") provided a good analysis and expressed his opinions forthrightly. That is the right kind of person we want for NWFA.
However...
I disagree with his conclusions. I would call his conclusion a truth illusion. In other words, something that sounds true, but isn't. The reason is that firearms were historically far, far more "in everyone's face" than today. Not only did gun owners open carry without worry, but it was pretty much normal up to the 1960s for people to have rifles hanging in their pickup back window, even for high school kids driving to school. I'd argue that gun owners are far less "in everyone's face" today than historically.
It is not the gun owners who have significantly changed in Oregon, it is the politics.

 

[Hotdog 7]

I hadn't kept up on HB 3076 but decided to go check the status of it. One condition of the law is that dealers need a CCTV system and the footage from said system needs to be stored for 3 years. That is a LONG time in the grand scheme of storing video. I ran it through some online calculators, and a modest 8 camera system recording at 10 frames per second in 1080p would require ~1.52 TB/month of storage. That would be 1,664 TB, or 1,664,000 GB, of data for 3 years of storage. The largest drives available on the market are right about 30 TB. Its going to costs FFLs upwards of $25,000 to get the storage required to comply with the law. The financial burden to comply with this law is going to be astronomical, esspecially for stores with multiple locations. BiMart for example has 50+ stores in Oregon and I think most of them sell guns.

 

[jayR]

I hadn't kept up on HB 3076 but decided to go check the status of it. One condition of the law is that dealers need a CCTV system and the footage from said system needs to be stored for 3 years. That is a LONG time in the grand scheme of storing video. I ran it through some online calculators, and a modest 8 camera system recording at 10 frames per second in 1080p would require ~1.52 TB/month of storage. That would be 1,664 TB, or 1,664,000 GB, of data for 3 years of storage. The largest drives available on the market are right about 30 TB. Its going to costs FFLs upwards of $25,000 to get the storage required to comply with the law. The financial burden to comply with this law is going to be astronomical, esspecially for stores with multiple locations. BiMart for example has 50+ stores in Oregon and I think most of them sell guns.

Per the logic of this thread.. It's their own fault.

 

[PiratePast40]

I hadn't kept up on HB 3076 but decided to go check the status of it. One condition of the law is that dealers need a CCTV system and the footage from said system needs to be stored for 3 years. That is a LONG time in the grand scheme of storing video. I ran it through some online calculators, and a modest 8 camera system recording at 10 frames per second in 1080p would require ~1.52 TB/month of storage. That would be 1,664 TB, or 1,664,000 GB, of data for 3 years of storage. The largest drives available on the market are right about 30 TB. Its going to costs FFLs upwards of $25,000 to get the storage required to comply with the law. The financial burden to comply with this law is going to be astronomical, esspecially for stores with multiple locations. BiMart for example has 50+ stores in Oregon and I think most of them sell guns.

3076 is dead for this session. Parts of our resistance machine do actually work.

 

[BanjoGeek]

I hadn't kept up on HB 3076 but decided to go check the status of it. One condition of the law is that dealers need a CCTV system and the footage from said system needs to be stored for 3 years. That is a LONG time in the grand scheme of storing video. I ran it through some online calculators, and a modest 8 camera system recording at 10 frames per second in 1080p would require ~1.52 TB/month of storage. That would be 1,664 TB, or 1,664,000 GB, of data for 3 years of storage. The largest drives available on the market are right about 30 TB. Its going to costs FFLs upwards of $25,000 to get the storage required to comply with the law. The financial burden to comply with this law is going to be astronomical, esspecially for stores with multiple locations. BiMart for example has 50+ stores in Oregon and I think most of them sell guns.

There is more than one way to bring about nazi type gun control.

 

[64MercurysRule]

It is amazing that the anti 2A want to blame a THING instead of a WHO . It is pure and simply PEOPLE VIOLENCE not gun violence ........
Like blaming a vehicle for being driven and not the person driving drunk .
For people who claim to be of higher intelligence and know better they sure are DUMB .

View: https://youtu.be/G5aJROe1nyw?si=pB7exgXRSBcFY5cX

 

[fmvolume86]

Next year they'll go after parts. I've said it again and again its not the Anti-gunners that's the problem.... it's the companies and people who continue to comply. Keep complying and ore of your rights will be stripped. No company should be complying with any states illegal infringing !!

 

[CamoDeafie]

companies and people who continue to comply. Keep complying and ore of your rights will be stripped. No company should be complying with any states illegal infringing

Good way to force companies out of States and to force government takeover of private companies by arresting the heads and managers and putting in bootlickers in control. Where have we seen this before.....

 

[nikolaus]

And massive amounts of fraud with our ballot system.
As for the OP, I get that's your take.. but I greatly disagree. This was never a poking the bear issue.. that's just a justification for the blatant contempt dems and folks involved with anti gun organizations in this state have for 2A supporters. You can make up any view on why laws got passed and blame gun owners.. it ain't us. It's them, it's always the crime ridden areas we all know need MORE law enforcement presence yet get none because they (politicians in various counties) are too busy hiring new motorcycle cops to extort people driving to and from work.. the mechanization of law enforcement as a lucrative revenue stream is all too real. Those pulling the strings don't at all want to stop crime.. they want political theater and money.

They (politicians) ignore solutions to real problems in order to pass for freedom stripping laws, increase our taxes..etc

The private sales thing wasn't at all passed due to gun buy backs.. it was passed because it creates a backdoor registry and a timeline of firearm purchases. This essentially starts the process of a registry without actually creating one.. but the data is there.. it also aids in throttling when/how and where people can buy firearms while doing NOTHING to establish fair or affordable transfer services. Some areas actually demanded $100 for a transfer fee.. that's insane. Claim free market all you want.. the law created chaos and price spikes purposely to diminish transfer sales done through FFL's.
It's also a widely discriminatory law, primarily towards people of a lower income level.. it's just more bureaucratic red tape and cost individuals have to put up with in order to engage in something they have a constitutional right of.. and any new laws and taxes piled onto what we currently have simply increases this cost.. they place personal defense, recreational shooting and hunting further and further away for the low income individual.. whom by the way are some of the most at risk for crimes committed against them if you follow the same data anti gun folks love to pop off about.


Pertaining to the laws, they'll always ram this stuff through with claims that it'll curb crime.. but it never does. Not one bit.. So it's this never ending: "well, we need to pass this NEW law because clearly the last law didn't work and of course instead of getting rid of that law let's make more laws and instead of blaming those politicians and organizations that promised the last round of laws would work let's sweep it all under the rug because society has a five minute memory", schtick...
it never ends. There is no justification. It's not at all gun owners faults. We ALL vote. No one in this state just stayed home with 114. I saw more signs and heard more people talking about it than I ever have.. and when you look at the voting map.. there truly should have been no way it passed.. there was a highlighted section showing it was the big cities in our state.. and I'm sure if we had receipts for every single ballot and proofed them.. you'd see there was fraud. We are in a rigged game in this state.

As for talking to Dem Law makers blaming gun owners.. HA.. I'd LOVE to hear the twisted logic from those dems mouths on just why these proposed and failed laws, extortion fees and blatant harassment against gun owners is magically our fault.
Tell us just how us buying items and properly storing/using them makes us all to blame for the worlds problems..
Meanwhile BLM, Antifa and all the other radical loons can burn and loot in our cities while cops are told to stand down to ensure the chaos lasts longer.. tell me how cops purposely NOT put on rotation in key crime ridden areas is our fault? Tell me how this catch and release nonsense within our judicial system where criminals are caught and simply set free to offend again is our fault?

234C and HB3076 will accomplish NOTHING to stop crime. NOTHING. And they know this.. it's just a slowly tightening noose on the necks of FFLs and Oregonians.

Couldn't agree more! And society is so feminized or high on marijuana, and misinformed, that well never manage to come together and stop this bs before it's too late.

 

[nwslopoke]

Couldn't agree more! And society is so feminized or high on marijuana, and misinformed, that well never manage to come together and stop this bs before it's too late.

I won't say that's incorrect, but as always, there wasn't a better alternative to counter whatever evil was presented. Drugs, feminism, welfare, etc.

The pro 2A (especially the manufacturers) need to do better. Create better platforms and better messaging. I believe the big gun corporations rely on government contracts so how worried are they? But companies focused on the civilian market are clearly absent. I just don't know why.

 

[2gr8dgs]

But I have spoken with Dem law makers
and they are honest in saying there would be no issues if gun owners didn't create them.

there would be no issue if
negroes didn't insist on sitting at the front of the bus
women didn't insist on the right to vote
etc.etc.

 

[PiratePast40]

Let's keep in mind that the dems will still be submitting bills similar to 3075 and 3076 in both the special session the governor is sure to call and the short session this coming spring.

Yes, it's tiring and sucks the wind out of you, but we need to stay vigilant and be prepared to get back in the game time after time.

 

[mikec1703]

So the legislative session has now closed.

What is the current status of 243?