National Ruling on reset triggers

[wired]

I'm trying to find the relevant info and apparently the ATF officially bragged that they recovered/removed 11,000+(?) Triggers from the streets...

View: https://youtu.be/jOZuHN5FOHc?si=7rWfshJOHJ3ImSZg

They removed them from distributors warehouses. They probably seized less than 50 from end users with ZERO prosecutions. Quite a few guys even told the ATF to :"Get off my lawn" which they proceeded to do. They knew they didn't have a legal leg to stand on from day one.

 

[CamoDeafie]

They removed them from distributors warehouses. They probably seized less than 50 from end users with ZERO prosecutions. Quite a few guys even told the ATF to :"Get off my lawn" which they proceeded to do. They knew they didn't have a legal leg to stand on from day one.

So, why is the ATF dragging their feet on returning those triggers back to the distributors?

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

So, why is the ATF dragging their feet on returning those triggers back to the distributors?

Probably the obvious, but they may also not have any policy / procedure to handle a situation like this and the bureaucratic mechanism is just vapor locked with no one trying very hard to figure out how to do it

 

[ilikegunspdx]

So, why is the ATF dragging their feet on returning those triggers back to the distributors?

Judging from all the stories on the internet (and well documented ones at that). They don't want to give bubblegum up once they have it.

 

[Yarome]

So, why is the ATF dragging their feet on returning those triggers back to the distributors?

Because they are seeking a stay on the portion of the order to return/reimburse those FRT's that were seized or destroyed.

Essentially arguing that it's beyond their capability to fully do so within the time frame ordered by the court so they are requesting it to be nullified.

There is a heck of a lot more than 50 though. Rare breed alone sold over 100k of them. Even at a 5% compliance rate of either surrendering them or providing statements of destruction to satisfy the demand letters... that's still over 5000 FRT's in the public sector that the alphabet must either return or reimburse folks for. What portion of private sector owners are represented in that near 12k figure though I got no idea.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Because they are seeking a stay on the portion of the order to return/reimburse those FRT's that were seized or destroyed.

Essentially arguing that it's beyond their capability to fully do so within the time frame ordered by the court so they are requesting it to be nullified.

I know that's what they are officially arguing we suspect the real reason is as above, they no wanna give up sh!+, they probably have too much bureaucracy.. though a comment in the video suggests that criminal charges be brought against whoever had chain of custody last per Janet Reno a long while ago?

 

[FATAL125]

So, why is the ATF dragging their feet on returning those triggers back to the distributors?

Cause they're too busy running a train on each other...

 

[wired]

So, why is the ATF dragging their feet on returning those triggers back to the distributors?

Because the ATF has a long history of not doing anything the courts say until the fat lady sings. The fat lady being SCOTUS. They still have the brace rule up on their website as being in effect.

Factoring Criteria for Firearms with Attached “Stabilizing Braces” | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Due to challenges under the Administrative Procedure Act, Final Rule 2021R-08F was set aside nationwide and has not been enforced. This page is provided for informational purposes pending further action consistent with Executive Order14206 entitled “Protecting Second Amendment Rights.” 90 Fed...

www.atf.gov

 

[wired]

Meanwhile, the FRT world drives on

 

[CamoDeafie]

Couldn't remember if this was answered, but which forced reset or binary trigger group uses the 3rd safety position to engage either binary or rapid/quick forced reset modes?

Edit. Just thinking that might be my next upgrade for the 20" HBAR eventually since the PSA "Govt Property" marked joke lowers does have this "BURST" marking in the 3rd Safety position...

 

[wired]

Most all of the super safety push button safety setups do that

 

[CamoDeafie]

Most all of the super safety push button safety setups do that

I don't mean "push button" position I mean a position where I can swing the lever to "Burst" setting just to screw with people and it not having a 3rd pin or actual FA mode

Edit
Looks like Franklin Armory's BFSIII does what I'm asking, as does Fostech Echo

 

[wired]

I don't mean "push button" position I mean a position where I can swing the lever to "Burst" setting just to screw with people and it not having a 3rd pin or actual FA mode

Anything else you want?

Tommy Trigger made a few hundred conversion sets for Rare breeds before he got raided by the ATF a few years ago. I had one. I got it to work and if you see the comment you'll understand what I mean by "It took a little while " by the fact that Im a mechanical engineer with a machine shop who does this stuff all the time and it took me the better part of a day to get that thing to run and I was into it $500 in parts to get it running. I think someone else is doing something similar now and in a year you will have better options I'd guess but IMHO they are not ready for prime time. The push button super safeties ARE fully in prime time and at $70 its hard to argue the need for a rotating switch vs a push button.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo1ewKT9cW4

 

[CamoDeafie]

Anything else you want?

Tommy Trigger made a few hundred conversion sets for Rare breeds before he got raided by the ATF a few years ago. I had one. I got it to work and if you see the comment you'll understand what I mean by "It took a little while " by the fact that Im a mechanical engineer with a machine shop who does this stuff all the time and it took me the better part of a day to get that thing to run and I was into $500 in parts to get it running. I think someone else is doing something similar now and in a year you will have better option I'd guess but IMHO they are not ready for prime time. The push button super safeties ARE fully in prime time and at $70 its hard to argue the need for a rotating switch vs a push button.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo1ewKT9cW4

See edit. Looks like its binary triggers that does the lever throw thing. Thats about the meat of it. Push button safeties don't look quite right on an A2 even if its a HBAR

 

[wired]

See edit. Looks like its binary triggers that does the lever throw thing. Thats about the meat of it. Push button safeties don't look quite right on an A2 even if its a HBAR

FRT vs binaries? Binaries suck. FRT doesn't .

 

[CamoDeafie]

The silly plan is to eventually turn the 20" HBAR on top

Into something similar to these Colt 741s,

And utilize either FR or binary ,looks like Binary is more likely, unless you can show me one of those Super Safeties or FRTs that uses a M16 style lever action to engage the FR part

 

[wired]

The silly plan is to eventually turn the 20" HBAR on topView attachment 1934575

Into something similar to these Colt 741s,View attachment 1934576View attachment 1934577

And utilize either FR or binary ,looks like Binary is more likely, unless you can show me one of those Super Safeties or FRTs that uses a M16 style lever action to engage the FR part

As of right now? No one does. Once the dust settles at the ATF in a year or so you will probably see them returning to the market unless you just have to have one now in which case its going to cost you more than the gun. Last working 3 position tommy trigger setup I saw for sale went over $1500.

 

[CamoDeafie]

As of right now? No one does. Once the dust settles at the ATF in a year or so you will probably see them returning to the market unless you just have to have one now in which case its going to cost you more than the gun. Last working 3 position tommy trigger setup I saw for sale went over $1500.

I can wait like I said eventually. It might be easier if Congress could repeal the Hughes Amendment of the 86 FOPA, opening up the MG registry and then bam, everyone can get MGs for the cost of the M16 parts and a $200 tax stamp, if NFA doesn't ever get overturned/repealed

 

[wired]

I can wait like I said eventually. It might be easier if Congress could repeal the Hughes Amendment of the 86 FOPA, opening up the MG registry and then bam, everyone can get MGs for the cost of the M16 parts and a $200 tax stamp, if NFA doesn't ever get overturned/repealed

Yeah, that would be easier

 

[CamoDeafie]

Yeah, that would be easier

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