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RKBA is a human rights issue

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Ought Six, Jun 3, 2012.

  1. Ought Six

    Ought Six Snoqualmie Valley area Active Member

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    We talk a lot about inalienable rights when discussing the Second Amendment. The liberals use a different jargon; 'human rights'. The meaning is much the same, referring to natural rights we have simply by virtue of existing as free people. This opens up an interesting line of intellectual attack on liberal groupthink about gun control.

    You can usually get even the most diehard liberal to admit that the right to self defense is a universal human right, especially when you put the discussion in the context of minorities, women and the disabled defending themselves against violent attack. That is the foundation of the counterargument. For an effective right of self-defense to exist, one must have the tools to defend one's self and one's loved ones. Obviously, criminals can always get guns if they want them, even in nations with very strict gun control laws like Britain. So the only effective tools for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves against a violent criminal attack is guns. By banning guns for citizens, you are taking away the only realistic self defense tool from people, making them easy victims for any armed criminal. This obviously de facto destroys a person's ability to defend themselves and their family, thus violating their human right to self defense. Ergo, strict gun control is a gross violation of everyone's human rights. Gun banners are human rights violators.

    I think that recasting the argument in this human rights context will definitely put anti-gunners in an indefensible position (bad pun fully intended).
     
  2. soberups

    soberups Newberg Well-Known Member

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    If you really want to get an anti-gun liberal's (and I consider myself liberal on at least some social issues) panties all twisted into a knot, all you need to do is commiserate with them for a few minutes about the evils of gay-bashing, domestic violence, and hate crimes against minorities. Sweeten the bait by throwing in a few random comments about "oppression", "empowerment", and being an "advocate". Once the liberal has swallowed the bait, you can set the hook by advocating armed self-defense as a fundamental human right that is being denied to these "victims" by our oppressive, white-male dominated government. Watching the gun-hating liberal try desperately to squirm their way off of the hook that you have just firmly set about a foot down their throat makes for great theater. Plus, you are telling the truth!
     
  3. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    So you guys never heard of conflicting rights ? :)
     
  4. Ought Six

    Ought Six Snoqualmie Valley area Active Member

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    So which right, exactly, conflicts with my right to own and carry adequate self defense tools?
     
  5. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    It's an indirect conflict. Your ability to acquire self-defense tools relies on availability of such tools to general public. Certain members of the general public will misuse such tools, infringing on other people's right to life and pursuit of happiness ;)
     
  6. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Except miscreants may foreit their right to breathing and start assuming room temperature if one should choose to excercise their right to self-defense to end such misuse of said tools, thus acting as a deterrent... an armed society is a polite society.
     
  7. riverrat373

    riverrat373 Washington State Member

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    ought six,
    You have very eloquently stated the very reason why we should have the right to keep and bear arms! But as they say, "you are preaching to the choir" here. I certainly hope that you have replicated your fine discourse in local newspapers! If we are to maintain our rights, we must "spread the gospel" where it can have the most effect. :thumbup:
     
  8. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    While there are people who abuse the right have firearms, it's no different, under the law, from people who abuse the 1st Amendment or other fundamental human rights.

    Abusus non tollit usum (abuse does not take away from use)
     
  9. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Latin can be cool.
     
  10. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    What's the Latin for:


    Life is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
     
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