RIP John Redcorn

[VinnieBoomBah]

Isn't always better when it isn't all dragged oot? Like, decent show, concludes at 8 episodes without too much filler or obviously 'milking it' type plot twists? I don't care for quasi soap operas. Middle aged man yells at cloud.

Yeah, that wasn't it, just using made up numbers it was supposed to air episode 96, 97, 98, 99 and then 100 for the final, but the order it actually aired was 96, 100, 97, 98, 99

 

[Joe13]

I like KOTH.

It's one of the few shows that I have watched all the way thru more then once.

I want to say I've completed the series 4 or 5 times.

Always enough time in between watching that I sort of know what is going on but not entirely and it's still funny to me.

My dad was not born in TX but was raised there from very young and I still have family there.

If my dad had been handy then he would have been much like Hank.


Reminds me of growing up and spending half the summers there.

 

[monkeybutler]

Yeah, that wasn't it, just using made up numbers it was supposed to air episode 96, 97, 98, 99 and then 100 for the final, but the order it actually aired was 96, 100, 97, 98, 99

I understood that much. But it was better when it was shorter, right? Like all those bands you would respect more if they had quit before their first crap album, and gone out blazing rather than limping.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

I understood that much. But it was better when it was shorter, right? Like all those bands you would respect more if they had quit before their first crap album, and gone out blazing rather than limping.

It's not like we are talking about Ally McBeal all the episodes are fine, just that when they are out of order it creates an odd timeline where the issue gets resolved before it's introduced into the storyline

 

[L84Cabo]

Yeah, his husband's account of it was really harrowing. I remember reading Mr. Joss writing about the whole saga a while back, how this neighbor kept threatening him and his husband with violence, threatening to burn their house down (the house was eventually burned down), trying to hurt their dogs, vandalizing the property, etc and his frustration with local police not taking their reports seriously. Really horrible stuff.

There is lots of conflicting information on this mess...

The beef with the neighbor started years back when Joss's, now, "husband," was still a female. Which doesn't really support the notion that this was a hate crime.

The police also deny it was a hate crime.

Joss reportedly set his own house on fire when he was trying to heat it with a BBQ pit.

Police had been called to Joss's house 40+ times since Jan 2024 for issues, wellness checks, mental health related calls, etc.

Joss would, reportedly, walk through the neighborhood screaming at people and claiming he was God.

It seems like, at a minimum, Joss was an equal part of the problem here. I am, of course, not saying that he deserved to die. Only that he didn't sound like the best of neighbors.

 

[obesechess]

I have not heard the part about him burning his own house down or the mental health issues. Do you have a source? Not in a defensive "I don't believe you" way, just that I'm curious where you read it as I haven't seen any of it myself.

 

[nwslopoke]

I am aware of KOTH but didn't follow that type of show. Bob's Burger, etc. It's hard to believe people in America have not moved on since Archy Bunker.

Like most people, the rare neighbor I don't like, I don't deal with. It's hard to believe a neighbor that unhinged didn't already have a record a mile long.

 

[raftman]

I have not heard the part about him burning his own house down or the mental health issues. Do you have a source? Not in a defensive "I don't believe you" way, just that I'm curious where you read it as I haven't seen any of it myself.

Here's a video breakdown. I'm sure you probably think this guy is the devil but he does cite all of his sources. Joss himself is quoted as saying the fire was likely the result of him leaving a propane burner on, and makes no reference to dealing with any ongoing homophobia.

He also cites sources indicating Joss was a hostile and unstable neighbor who often threatened and yelled at people in the neighborhood, and had feuded with the alleged shooter for years, with the police having been called on him like 60 times. In essence, the narrative that he was just out to get the mail and was shot by homophobes is almost certainly untrue.

View: https://youtu.be/v7E6FuOdLYA

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

In essence, the narrative that he was just out to get the mail and was shot by homophobes is almost certainly untrue.

Possibly untrue. There is nothing about the motives and actions of everyone involved that makes any of it mutually exclusive.

 

[raftman]

Possibly untrue. There is nothing about the motives and actions of everyone involved that makes any of it mutually exclusive.

Until any evidence is presented that it is true, it can and should be presumed to be untrue. That's generally how it works.

 

[Will_White]

Until any evidence is presented that it is true, it can and should be presumed to be untrue. That's generally how it works.

The same could be said the other way. There is atleast a documented conflict between the neighbors. Who's in the wrong we'll never know for sure. With the shooting atleast, it seems like it was a contributing factor. That's for courts to decide. If the narrative that is circulating is even remotely true, the shoot wasn't a good one.

 

[raftman]

The same could be said the other way….

Not really. Aside from the word of one person, and that testimony has already been contradicted by evidence, there's no reason to believe Mr. Joss was killed in a homophobic hate crime. On the other hand, that he was an unstable, troubled, aggressive neighbor who had been quarreling (including violently) with the alleged killer for years, is at least documented as a result of the dozens of times the police have been called to the scene.

 

[obesechess]

The news stories I can find all cite many of the police reports as being "related to a disturbance with a neighbor," including one involving a gun and another involving a knife. The shooter also said that Joss was frequently harassing him (which may or may not be true, we don't know), and another neighbor said he had been behaving "erratically" over the past several months. So, he was clearly not well, mentally. Similarly, police had been called to the shooter's house ten times for disturbances with neighbors, and in two instances they heard shots being fired, once in the yard and once from a window. So he was perhaps not well, either.

SAPD records detail 60+ calls made to Jonathan Joss’ home since 2023, dispute with suspected killer

KSAT obtained multiple police reports that correspond to calls made to Joss’ home, including a June 2024 incident involving Joss and Sigfredo Ceja Alvarez, his suspected killer.

www.ksat.com

But I'm not seeing anything that jives with what you're saying other than the testimony of Matt Walsh, who is not someone I'd consider a trustworthy or neutral source on the issue.

I did also see a local news story about the propane burner from January, though, where Joss says he'd been using a propane heater for warmth because "he had issues with electricity after the home was vandalized." He adds "Mistakes happen, man. And it's my fault for, I guess, leaving something on. Or if somebody came in and did something, who knows?'"

‘King of the Hill,’ ‘Parks and Rec’ actor loses San Antonio home, dogs in fire

‘I don’t have a job... I don’t have a place to stay,’ Joss told KSAT at the scene

www.ksat.com

Police have also retracted their claim that it wasn't a hate crime, saying it was "way too soon before we had real information:" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ent-dismissing-possible-hate-crime-rcna211237

So, I don't know. All we know for sure is that a guy who'd been having a lot of disagreements with a neighbor over the past few years was shot by that neighbor. His husband, who was to my knowledge the only witness, says it was related to him being gay. I don't see any reason to disbelieve that given the information I have.

 

[shoengine]

Celebrities...

I'll pour one out and just leave it at that. The details will all be sorted out at some point.

 

[thorborg]

I knew nothing of the guy, the situation, or the drama of said titled post.
Not to be disrespectful, but truth is, I really clicked on it thinking corn whisky was being messed with somewhere and John Redcorn was some sort of variant / cousin of John Barleycorn.
I'm gone now...I'm not Jimmy, but I'm gonna go crack my own corn.
I hope no-one cares...

 

[raftman]

The news stories I can find all cite many of the police reports as being "related to a disturbance with a neighbor," including one involving a gun and another involving a knife. The shooter also said that Joss was frequently harassing him (which may or may not be true, we don't know), and another neighbor said he had been behaving "erratically" over the past several months. So, he was clearly not well, mentally. Similarly, police had been called to the shooter's house ten times for disturbances with neighbors, and in two instances they heard shots being fired, once in the yard and once from a window. So he was perhaps not well, either.

SAPD records detail 60+ calls made to Jonathan Joss’ home since 2023, dispute with suspected killer

KSAT obtained multiple police reports that correspond to calls made to Joss’ home, including a June 2024 incident involving Joss and Sigfredo Ceja Alvarez, his suspected killer.

www.ksat.com

But I'm not seeing anything that jives with what you're saying other than the testimony of Matt Walsh, who is not someone I'd consider a trustworthy or neutral source on the issue.

I did also see a local news story about the propane burner from January, though, where Joss says he'd been using a propane heater for warmth because "he had issues with electricity after the home was vandalized." He adds "Mistakes happen, man. And it's my fault for, I guess, leaving something on. Or if somebody came in and did something, who knows?'"

‘King of the Hill,’ ‘Parks and Rec’ actor loses San Antonio home, dogs in fire

‘I don’t have a job... I don’t have a place to stay,’ Joss told KSAT at the scene

www.ksat.com

Police have also retracted their claim that it wasn't a hate crime, saying it was "way too soon before we had real information:" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ent-dismissing-possible-hate-crime-rcna211237

So, I don't know. All we know for sure is that a guy who'd been having a lot of disagreements with a neighbor over the past few years was shot by that neighbor. His husband, who was to my knowledge the only witness, says it was related to him being gay. I don't see any reason to disbelieve that given the information I have.

There must be some disconnect here… you've found articles that substantiate pretty much all of Walsh's core claims, and contradict the "husband's" claims, but conclude Walsh isn't credible but the husband is?

 

[obesechess]

There must be some disconnect here… you've found articles that substantiate pretty much all of Walsh's core claims, and contradict the "husband's" claims, but conclude Walsh isn't credible but the husband is?

Walsh claims that this is an "absurd" "hate crime hoax" rooted in "lgbt activist persecution fantasies." Joss's husband, who was present when Joss was shot, says that the man who shot Joss hated him because he was gay.

It's clearly documented that the two men - Joss and the man who killed him, Mr. Alvarez - had been having problems with each other for a long time, and it seems that neither of them was mentally well.

But I don't think we can conclude, as Walsh does, that Joss's husband is making it up. There's no "evidence" that "contradicts" his claim. That's the part I take issue with. We simply don't know.

 

[MikeInOr]

Here's a video breakdown. I'm sure you probably think this guy is the devil but he does cite all of his sources. Joss himself is quoted as saying the fire was likely the result of him leaving a propane burner on, and makes no reference to dealing with any ongoing homophobia.

He also cites sources indicating Joss was a hostile and unstable neighbor who often threatened and yelled at people in the neighborhood, and had feuded with the alleged shooter for years, with the police having been called on him like 60 times. In essence, the narrative that he was just out to get the mail and was shot by homophobes is almost certainly untrue.

View: https://youtu.be/v7E6FuOdLYA

Sorry, I don't consider this a credible source. More just someone that wants to put their own narrative on the situation to suit their purposes.

I lived in Wichita Falls, TX for 6 years. There was plenty of blatant racism and homophobia as well as under the surface institutional racism/sexism/homophobia. It is not a place I would EVER want to move back to. It is definitely not a place I would ever raise a child.

I tried watching King of the Hill but was offended by what I saw and the complete dismissal of racial and homosexual hate as well as many other Texas hidden truths. Maybe I didn't watch enough, but I doubt it. The redneck Texans that I was exposed to were nothing like KOTH episodes I watched.

I don't have any clue about who Jonathan Joss was and never would have had an idea of what shows he was in if it weren't for this thread. A gay married to a transgender person being murdered by a homophobic neighbor in Texas and the local police not wanting to call it a hate crime does not surprise me one bit.

 

[raftman]

…

But I don't think we can conclude, as Walsh does, that Joss's husband is making it up. There's no "evidence" that "contradicts" his claim. That's the part I take issue with. We simply don't know.

Yes, there is. The "husband" claimed the alleged harassers burned down the house; Joss himself admitted he himself was likely responsible for the fire and never pointed to any homophobic aggressors. The only part of this person's claims that can be independently checked, turned out to be false… casting doubt on the rest.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Yes, there is. The "husband" claimed the alleged harassers burned down the house; Joss himself admitted he himself was likely responsible for the fire and never pointed to any homophobic aggressors. The only part of this person's claims that can be independently checked, turned out to be false… casting doubt on the rest.

Why are you putting husband in quotes?