Read this! Silencer rights imposed!!!!!!!

[Bhowe]

Finally got the can back in my hands!

 

[ZeroRing]

A tired old ditty comes to mind about now... something about an edumacation not being cheap... or something like that.

Congrats on the return of your property!

 

[sigman]

Finally got the can back in my hands!

Congrats to you. Someday I would like to hear the whole story. Please post it when you feel it is the right time.

 

[Ranb]

You get anything else back with the silencer? Advice? Apology? Warning? Any explanation at all? Ever find out what the police were told before they arrived at the range?

Ranb

 

[satinwood]

Finally got the can back in my hands!

Glad to see it back in the rightful owner's hands.

 

[Bhowe]

They told me they had reports some guys were shooting with silencers. They had no evidence to suggest that I had shot mine. I have been reassured that it is legal to own and that was not the reason they were taken (odd, thats not what the two officers told us at the scene). Also, for some reason they told me over and over the situation is not the same for both parties involved. If I had to guess, I'd say they are going to attempt to prosecute the other guy with the cans, for what again I'm not sure. My guess would be for discharging with it on a gun (I did not witness any firing of guns with silencers on them that day so again, not sure what their evidence is).

To be honest, I got no apology, no assurance it won't happen again to me or someone else. It is my understanding no one has ever been charged with discharging a gun with a silencer on it in Washington since the NFA was enacted in the 1930's, so this should be interesting. I am just glad I have my can back and did not have to cough up a bunch of cash to get it. I will say that once the prosecutors office declined to press charges, everyone I had contact with, even Dep. Haley, was very cordial and tried to help get it returned to me.

As I have said in earlier posts, I know a lot of people in the LE community, as well as a lot of close family friends that are heavily involved organizers in the Republican Party, and I will continue to look to change the current laws which even the local ATF said is "A$$ Backwards and illogical." Until that happens, I will do my best to keep my things under wrap and away from the prying eyes of gov and LE alike. We need to push to get that House Bill (1604?) on the ballot and passed. If anyone has the knowhow or ability to get a petition going that we can submit to our lawmakers clearly defining our intentions and getting it in the publics eyes.

Thanks again for the support.

 

[Atroxus]

They told me they had reports some guys were shooting with silencers. They had no evidence to suggest that I had shot mine. I have been reassured that it is legal to own and that was not the reason they were taken (odd, thats not what the two officers told us at the scene). Also, for some reason they told me over and over the situation is not the same for both parties involved. If I had to guess, I'd say they are going to attempt to prosecute the other guy with the cans, for what again I'm not sure. My guess would be for discharging with it on a gun (I did not witness any firing of guns with silencers on them that day so again, not sure what their evidence is).

To be honest, I got no apology, no assurance it won't happen again to me or someone else. It is my understanding no one has ever been charged with discharging a gun with a silencer on it in Washington since the NFA was enacted in the 1930's, so this should be interesting. I am just glad I have my can back and did not have to cough up a bunch of cash to get it. I will say that once the prosecutors office declined to press charges, everyone I had contact with, even Dep. Haley, was very cordial and tried to help get it returned to me.

As I have said in earlier posts, I know a lot of people in the LE community, as well as a lot of close family friends that are heavily involved organizers in the Republican Party, and I will continue to look to change the current laws which even the local ATF said is "A$$ Backwards and illogical." Until that happens, I will do my best to keep my things under wrap and away from the prying eyes of gov and LE alike. We need to push to get that House Bill (1604?) on the ballot and passed. If anyone has the knowhow or ability to get a petition going that we can submit to our lawmakers clearly defining our intentions and getting it in the publics eyes.

Thanks again for the support.

I wonder if they held them so long to see if there was any/enough burnt powder in the cans to prove that they had been fired. If so that may be why yours were given back, but the other guys was not. If so it would be interesting to see how that goes. It seems to me that the cans were seized illegally to begin with which I would think would render any evidence obtained from tham inadmissable in court. Or it could be the other guy is not fighting back to get his cans so they are just keeping em anyways.

 

[SquatchWorks]

good for you!!!!!!!!!!!! Im glad to hear you got your cans back!!!!

Too bad you cant sue for somesort of well.... seperation damages....

 

[Ranb]

Representatives Finn and Pedersen have both agreed to meet with me to discuss bill 1604. They have not set a date though. The best thing we can do for now is to write to the people on the Judiciary committee, especially Pedersen. No one else maters right now. Unless Pedersen allows the bill to get a hearing, it will never make it out of committee to the House for a vote.

As far as I know, no one on the Judiciary committee has received much e-mail about bill 1604. This needs to change or else we will never be able to use our silencers in WA.

Ranb

 

[8ball]

Glad it worked out well.

The current law makes no sense and really needs to be changed. As I said before, I'm happy to help.

A burnt powder test wouldn't tell you anything since suppressors are perfectly legal to use outside WA.

 

[Bhowe]

No, I don't think they ran powder tests. I have put several thousand rounds through my can. Likewise, the other can that was confiscated was nearly new, not sure if it had even be shot but I know it was recently purchased where mine is a few years old. Also, I would not assume that they were siezed 'illegally'. I don't doubt for a minute that the police can secure possible evidence while they sort out if it had been used in to commit a crime. Not that I agree with what they did obviously, its just that I have talked with dozens of people with a variety of backgrounds, and it's pretty apparent that this is the common practice in the given circumstances. All the police are there to do is keep the peace, and collect information to use against people. They are really not the brains of the operation. I have heard it said before on episodes of 'Cops', "Arrest them all and let the courts sort it out". Same could be applied here I guess. Again, not that I agree with it at all, pretty messed up in fact.

 

[Bhowe]

Ranb, could you throw the contact info up again so people can continue to email and write letters and such?

 

[Ranb]

Here you go. Just use Google to find WA.access, then go from there.

http://access.wa.gov/ http://access.wa.gov/government/index.aspx http://access.wa.gov/government/state_legislature.aspx http://access.wa.gov/government/state_legislature.aspx http://www.leg.wa.gov/house/committees/Pages/default.aspx http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Committees/JUDI/Pages/default.aspx http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Committees/JUDI/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx

Then just click on Pedersen's link. <broken link removed> It would be a good idea to bother the other committee members until they reply also. Be sure to ask that the bill not be allowed to die next year, or else they might just try to blow you off with "it is dead this year". Ask them specifically what they intend to do about the bill. Ask them why it is not a priority as it has been in committee for a long time now. It is a very simple bill; either they care or they do not.

Based on my experiences with the limited replies I have received, no one, not even the Republicans on the committee care about the bill. And if Pedersen was correct when he said he has recieved very few letters on the matter, the gun owners in WA do not care either.

I read on another thread that Kline was the key. Well he is not as 1604 is a House bill and Kline is a Senator. Kline certainly cares nothing about a House gun bill, but he might have to care a little bit if it ever passes the House.

Has anyone on this forum ever written to Pedersen about bill 1604? We reap what we sow people, if we do not give a damn, neither will Olympia.

Ranb

 

[Blitzkrieg]

No, I don't think they ran powder tests. I have put several thousand rounds through my can. Likewise, the other can that was confiscated was nearly new, not sure if it had even be shot but I know it was recently purchased where mine is a few years old. Also, I would not assume that they were siezed 'illegally'. I don't doubt for a minute that the police can secure possible evidence while they sort out if it had been used in to commit a crime. Not that I agree with what they did obviously, its just that I have talked with dozens of people with a variety of backgrounds, and it's pretty apparent that this is the common practice in the given circumstances. All the police are there to do is keep the peace, and collect information to use against people. They are really not the brains of the operation. I have heard it said before on episodes of 'Cops', "Arrest them all and let the courts sort it out". Same could be applied here I guess. Again, not that I agree with it at all, pretty messed up in fact.

In this case if the cops did not personally view you shooting the suppressor, they are in violation of NFA law by being in possession of those cans. It is a Federal felony that you or I would go to prison for.. are cops above the law?

I agree that the main focus should be to get the law changed so that hopefully this will never happen again

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Here you go. Just use Google to find WA.access, then go from there.

http://access.wa.gov/ http://access.wa.gov/government/index.aspx http://access.wa.gov/government/state_legislature.aspx http://access.wa.gov/government/state_legislature.aspx http://www.leg.wa.gov/house/committees/Pages/default.aspx http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Committees/JUDI/Pages/default.aspx http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Committees/JUDI/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx

Then just click on Pedersen's link. <broken link removed> It would be a good idea to bother the other committee members until they reply also. Be sure to ask that the bill not be allowed to die next year, or else they might just try to blow you off with "it is dead this year". Ask them specifically what they intend to do about the bill. Ask them why it is not a priority as it has been in committee for a long time now. It is a very simple bill; either they care or they do not.

Based on my experiences with the limited replies I have received, no one, not even the Republicans on the committee care about the bill. And if Pedersen was correct when he said he has recieved very few letters on the matter, the gun owners in WA do not care either.

I read on another thread that Kline was the key. Well he is not as 1604 is a House bill and Kline is a Senator. Kline certainly cares nothing about a House gun bill, but he might have to care a little bit if it ever passes the House.

Has anyone on this forum ever written to Pedersen about bill 1604? We reap what we sow people, if we do not give a damn, neither will Olympia.

Ranb

I believe that a strong housecleaning is coming this fall.. maybe then we will have a real chance to get this done

 

[Ranb]

I hope to meet with the House Judiciary Chairman (Pedersen) in a few weeks. It would be nice if he had to acknowledge that lots of WA gun owners contacted him about the bill. I was very embarrassed to read his claim that I was the only person who wrote to him about the bill a few months ago. I hope he was posturing and exaggerating.

One person can not make a bill pass into law. I do not have high hopes about getting him to change his mind and let the bill have a chance in committee, but I am willing to miss a day of work to drive to Olympia and talk to him regardless.

I think most of the incumbants wil be re-elected. Too bad for me, none of the persons I voted for in the last general election made it.

Ranb

 

[Buddymack]

After reading thru this story I wonder why Washingtoners vote for folks they do, I can't think for the life of me the value in our elected officials and why especially those of whom believe in our second amendment rights vote for the rascals out there who follow along the Pelosi type thinking.
I am a member of the NRA and would love to see a more aggressive movement towards rogue cops whom think they are the only ones who should have arms, these men and women should be fired and made an example of maybe the NRA needs to take a few Kudos from the likes of the ACLU and make sure these men and women are held to the law.

 

[wired]

After reading thru this story I wonder why Washingtoners vote for folks they do

Two words...

King County.

 

[ZeroRing]

After reading thru this story I wonder why Washingtoners vote for folks they do

Two words...

King County.

OR more appropriately... BLUE CITIES

 

[Buddymack]

OR more appropriately... BLUE CITIES

LOL I guess that is all the better reason for us to stick together, shoot together and support each other ....

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