Philosophy of Rights

[luke23]

luke23 wrote:

This makes Truth subjective. TRUTH, ~real Truth~ can not be subjective.

Idi Amin was a cannibal, he thought it beautiful, to eat his victims...

That certainly was not "truth", in World societal views, but within ~his society~ It was OK, Subjective.

Luther, and Calvin, other great thinkers, could see dichotomy in what was then considered "the Church", ~a society~ They were ousted from that, whist providing the usual "you can't fire me, I quit".

They had followers. Developed another society. A different "church" from the other "church" meanwhile, real believers knew, ~the Church~ and were persecuted already...

Giving us another society...I say: Truth, is not subjective.

It is something that has been defined, not by philosophers, small or great, but by God Himself, and when we choose to live ~Within~ it, we "Know the Truth, and it sets us free"

philip

It's still subject to your perspective. Someone born of the Hindu faith might insist the same for his theology, or a Mahayana Buddhist might insist on the Buddha, or a Muslim on the Prophet Muhammad, or Zoroastrians on Ahuramazda. Aside from your perspective...

There's nothing definite. Even physics has proven somewhat more flexible than we anticipated so many years ago.

 

[luke23]

I believe all politics suck. I also believe your philosophy regarding government & societies, is horrible.

And why? What are your qualifications when making that determination? How do you justify it? I don't care if you insult me or my judgment, as long as you can make an actual point and support it academically.

 

[simon99]

Interesting thread.

I will open up and admit that I am not into philosophy per se. I think most of the studies on philosophy are a way to destroy and dilute what we hold as truth or fact. Philosophers have nothing to lose when it comes to offering their ideas. They can challenge any subject or topic merely for the sake of ego or career advancement and if proven a liar or a failure, it rarely affects them as an individual - more often it even grows their fame as their followers applaud their courage to question the status quo.

The problem I have with "rights" set forth by government is that at any time, the paradigm can shift and a new set of rules can be applied as they see fit. Natural rights and laws can never be changed, they can be misapplied or bent for a time, but they are always the standard to which all other experiments and challenges are tested against.

 

[BoonDocks36]

Interesting thread.

I will open up and admit that I am not into philosophy per se. I think most of the studies on philosophy are a way to destroy and dilute what we hold as truth or fact.

Very well put! the issue of philosophy in itself is talk, talk, talk... I recently watched, for the fifth time, "Defiance", and am reminded of the young man, discussing his intellectual views, I'll paraphrase what the listener, an old man said, "You share a philosophy, so my head hurts"...

Philosophers have nothing to lose when it comes to offering their ideas. They can challenge any subject or topic merely for the sake of ego or career advancement and if proven a liar or a failure, it rarely affects them as an individual - more often it even grows their fame as their followers applaud their courage to question the status quo.

indeed, worse, they share this viewpoint of theirs, as if it is TRUTH, absolute. When in fact it might not even be on the same planet, as Truth.

I have a mannerism I share, about how Truth becomes truth, becomes ~trruth~ becomes rutht...

a teacher says 2+2 is FIVE. it is repeated, new teachers spring forth, and state 2+2 is Five, further generations, and no one hears the in-correctness... it is accepted as fact.

A man comes along. He says, "I have Proof, that 2=2 is FOUR. He is stoned to death, but one heard him. that one works in his head... He says, you know, I think the man we killed might have been correct. 2+2 is Four. he is killed. Finally, enough people examine the process that provided 2+2 os Five, saw the faulty thinking, and finally accepted, 2+2 = Four.

That did not hurt anyone, accept them that were killed, the Philosopher, he is long dead, and in fact, even though the majority now say 2+2=4, in secret circles, there are a few who chant...

"2+2 is Five, 2+2 is Five, 2+2 is Five, 2+2 is Five, 2+2 is Five, ..."

philosophy is Not Life, it has nothing to do with Truth....

philip,
on his MacBookPro, it is strange, not being on the iPad... and using a KeyBoard again....

 

[rufus]

I've heard philosophy described as intellectual masturbation. Can't say I disagree.

 

[BoonDocks36]

luke23 said

It's still subject to your perspective.


Someone born of the: {edited, for brevity}
Hindu faith
Mahayana Buddhist
Muslim
Zoroastrians


Aside from your perspective...


There's nothing definite. Even physics has proven somewhat more flexible than we anticipated so many years ago.

luke, these above religions have little in common, accept One item: delusion.


Hindu faith, thousands of little g gods, no One God
Mahayana Buddhist, no god at all
Muslim, zero accuracy in: what is God, and what is a believer Plus: falsehoods, and immoral practices.
Zoroastrians, One god, but are there even people who practice Zorastrianism????


Jesus Christ, Was in the Beginning, Is now, and Ever shall be Lord & Savior.

The above, which you wrote, does Not compute with beliefs, of real believers in Jesus Christ.

I do not live a Philosophy, I live in Faith, that my God Reigns.

philip

 

[luke23]

And I agree, but lol Actual political theory is social in nature and structure.
Simply cannot have one with out the other.
And why Burts comments may be off the cuff, I found it interesting that your response to mine that Cal may be a tyranny base in birth and you assumed I was referring to socialism.
I am not saying they are in birth of a socialist state, too early to call on that . However they are at the birth of a state-run capitalist part of this America. Based on the subtraction of based human rights provided by the Constitution, oddly this same state uses ( for now ) the protection of the Constitution why looking to dismantle it.

So my responses are not political, but I under stand its influence and that said state-run capitalist country can be a birth
to a Tyanical society based on human history models of reversed democratic societies that are free.

By the way every-one I am not trying to be a big mouth or something, but my school money was paid by me and I used every moment to learn about Anthropology and cultural influences. So I hope my input is not seen as over the top but hehe i saw I nice debate here in something I actually know something about .

Oh you've been doing well sir. But I've heard 'socialism' foisted onto California so often I want to cut that off before it gets brought up. I'm just glad someone here would mention state capitalism.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Please no politics. If you want to complain about California, make a thread for it. Discuss philosophy here.

Politics is philosophy. Your admitted version is communism which is responsible for the bloody murder of well more than 100 million people in the 20th century

Here are the academic facts.. you are a proponent of bloody genocide and you deserve the same in advance

Mass killings under Communist regimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[luke23]

Very well put! the issue of philosophy in itself is talk, talk, talk... I recently watched, for the fifth time, "Defiance", and am reminded of the young man, discussing his intellectual views, I'll paraphrase what the listener, an old man said, "You share a philosophy, so my head hurts"...



indeed, worse, they share this viewpoint of theirs, as if it is TRUTH, absolute. When in fact it might not even be on the same planet, as Truth.

I have a mannerism I share, about how Truth becomes truth, becomes ~trruth~ becomes rutht...

a teacher says 2+2 is FIVE. it is repeated, new teachers spring forth, and state 2+2 is Five, further generations, and no one hears the in-correctness... it is accepted as fact.

A man comes along. He says, "I have Proof, that 2=2 is FOUR. He is stoned to death, but one heard him. that one works in his head... He says, you know, I think the man we killed might have been correct. 2+2 is Four. he is killed. Finally, enough people examine the process that provided 2+2 os Five, saw the faulty thinking, and finally accepted, 2+2 = Four.

That did not hurt anyone, accept them that were killed, the Philosopher, he is long dead, and in fact, even though the majority now say 2+2=4, in secret circles, there are a few who chant...

"2+2 is Five, 2+2 is Five, 2+2 is Five, 2+2 is Five, 2+2 is Five, ..."

philosophy is Not Life, it has nothing to do with Truth....

philip,
on his MacBookPro, it is strange, not being on the iPad... and using a KeyBoard again....

2+2 = 4

In a base ten system.

In base four or base five, or base twenty, it's something different. See, even the simple math you take as absolute fact is rooted in perspective.

 

[luke23]

luke23 said



luke, these above religions have little in common, accept One item: delusion.


Hindu faith, thousands of little g gods, no One God
Mahayana Buddhist, no god at all
Muslim, zero accuracy in: what is God, and what is a believer Plus: falsehoods, and immoral practices.
Zoroastrians, One god, but are there even people who practice Zorastrianism????


Jesus Christ, Was in the Beginning, Is now, and Ever shall be Lord & Savior.

The above, which you wrote, does Not compute with beliefs, of real believers in Jesus Christ.

I do not live a Philosophy, I live in Faith, that my God Reigns.

philip

Actually you're not accurate there. Hinduism believes in Brahman, a universal soul and power to which all 'gods' are merely aspects of. Further, Vishnu parallels Christ in some key ways.

Mahayana Buddhists have strayed from the original teachings and know revere Buddha as divine, and say through enlightenment a heaven can be attained.

Muslims believe in the same God as Christians and Jews, with some different ways to look at the same material.

And Zoroastrians are still around in Iran. They're also the world's first monotheistic faith.

There's absolutely nothing that makes one faith better than another. We need to respect the choices made.

 

[luke23]

Politics is philosophy. Your admitted version is communism which is responsible for the bloody murder of well more than 100 million people in the 20th century

Here are the academic facts.. you are a proponent of bloody genocide and you deserve the same in advance

Mass killings under Communist regimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since there has never been Communism, Communism cannot be responsible for any deaths. Also I suggest that you take your white supremacy and vanish unless you want to discuss how many people died under white colonialism and domination.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Since there has never been Communism, Communism cannot be responsible for any deaths. Also I suggest that you take your white supremacy and vanish unless you want to discuss how many people died under white colonialism and domination.

Never been communism? How about red china, the soviet union, vietnam, cambodia and Laos? You are a certified lunatic and all that blood is on your hands. It's Hannibal Lector lockup time, here

 

[luke23]

Never been communism? How about red china, the soviet union, vietnam and Laos? You are a certified lunatic and all that blood is on your hands. It's Hannibal Lector lockup time, here

Go away you spiteful troll. Message me if you have real questions, otherwise stop distracting here. You are contributing absolutely nothing.

 

[simon99]

Since there has never been Communism, Communism cannot be responsible for any deaths. Also I suggest that you take your white supremacy and vanish unless you want to discuss how many people died under white colonialism and domination.

Luke,

One of my best friends who sought political asylum from Poland in the 1980's when they were under Martial Law from the communist-led USSR would greatly disagree....

Lets get back on point.

 

[luke23]

Luke,

One of my best friends who sought political asylum from Poland in the 1980's when they were under Martial Law from the communist-led USSR would greatly disagree....

Lets get back on point.

They would also be wrong.

But, back to philosophy. Does anyone have anything to add? Are rights inherent to nature, or are they the product of society?

 

[BoonDocks36]

Actually you're not accurate there. Hinduism believes in Brahman, a universal soul and power to which all 'gods' are merely aspects of. Further, Vishnu parallels Christ in some key ways.

Mahayana Buddhists have strayed from the original teachings and know revere Buddha as divine, and say through enlightenment a heaven can be attained.

Muslims believe in the same God as Christians and Jews, with some different ways to look at the same material.

And Zoroastrians are still around in Iran. They're also the world's first monotheistic faith.

There's absolutely nothing that makes one faith better than another. We need to respect the choices made.

luke, you fail miserably, to impress me... and it is All, from your liberal/progressive education.

1. universal soul is no God, nor is it the Hindu name for God.
2. "Vishnu parallels Christ in some key ways" is Blasphemy.

put simply, Jesus Christ, Son of God, as a physical person, upon earth, was a unique person, saying the above Vishnu/Christ is like saying luke is like philip, because they are both inputting thought into this thread.. Not even close, no cigar, in fact, plain wrong.

In the Hindu religion, Vishnu never was a human. Jesus Christ, was Human, He died a Human death.
Jesus Christ was also God, incarnate, He rose from the dead, and was seen by many people.
3. muslims say they believe in the same God as Christians & Jews, when in fact, the Quron, Koran, how ever you wish to write it, says to kill us, and does so ~So Many Times~ that one can not just say Oh, that is an error in translation. Never does Jesus say He was Insane, mohhamed states that he was. muslims deny even the Basic Foundational issues that formulate Christian Belief, hence one can not accept that is correct, if they accept Christ Jesus, as their savior.
4.

"There's absolutely nothing that makes one faith better than another. We need to respect the choices made."

this is Blasphemy, to & for a real Christian to state.

Either Jesus is the Christ, or he is not, you can only philosophically state #4... you can Not Spiritually be in agreement, with Jesus Christ, and believe #4... end of sentence, no room for diplomacy, on this, either/or is not a factor.

philip,
A non-hyphanated, no compromise Christian.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Go away you spiteful troll. Message me if you have real questions, otherwise stop distracting here. You are contributing absolutely nothing.

That's funny. I'm a paying member here with over 8,000 posts, a second amendment rights activist and freedom loving anti communist. I have no questions for you, I do have your number, however

 

[simon99]

They would also be wrong.

But, back to philosophy. Does anyone have anything to add? Are rights inherent to nature, or are they the product of society?

Hmm....not sure how to respond..

I think I'll stick with the analysis from eyewitnesses that were there, along with men in my family that fought communism and fascism from Japan to Korea, Europe to Vietnam.

Semper Fi

 

[Burt Gummer]

The truth is we have no real rights. We are simply property of the corporate state. Your birth certificate is in actuality a stock certificate. You are a human resource asset, assigned a value as common stock (no say, no real vote) in the corporation known as the United States of America via the Act of 1871.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

The truth is we have no real rights. We are simply property of the corporate state. Your birth certificate is in actuality a stock certificate. You are a human resource asset, assigned a value as common stock in the corporation known as the United States of America via the Act of 1871.

Bro we do have rights.. HOWEVER they can be violated by scum like luke23 and the response must be righteous, swift and brutal