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Perfecta 308 Win ammo at Wally World

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by P7id10T, Jul 14, 2015.

  1. P7id10T

    P7id10T Cedar Hills Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I'm having pressure problems on my reloads, so I stopped at Wally World to pick up some 308 ammo for plinking.
    They had Perfecta, from Italy. 147gr, boxer primed. $15.00/box of 20.
    My gun really likes them, and is balls-on accurate with them.
     
  2. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Balls-on sounds PAINFULL! ;)

    It's that Perfecta FMJ, or?
     
  3. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    Yeah FMJ. Something like $14 a box right?
    I was talkig to a guy and he said it built up a bit of carbon in his rifle like Tula?
    However for the price, and reloadable brass, why not?!

    Ive tried it. Never took it out past 100yards but my Cetme, C91 and PTR seemed to like it before I sold them.
     
  4. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Carbon-schmarbon.... CLEAN YOUR WEAPON, YOU MAGGOTS!!
     
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  5. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    Hey now, Im an AK guy that should say enough about that. A little carbon doesnt bother me.. But some fellas turn their nose at it.. More for me.
     
  6. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Reduce your carbon footprint.... If it'll save just one Obama... scratch that, let it pile on! :D
     
  7. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    So does anyone know the whole story on this ammo?
    On the front of the box it says made in Italy and on the back it says imported by Tulammo or something.. and the ammo is shown at the Fiocchi website (hence the big "F" in perFecta?..).
    Not that it really matters.. just wondering
     
  8. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    It's just that many seem to be calling/considering it Tula/Tulammo instead of Fiocchi. Not that I think that there's..
     
  9. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Tula buys from various sources and slaps their various brands on it for various market areas. I've come to realize "brand names" don't mean a whole lot anymore as most manufacturing is done in a few limited places to "OEM spec" then "X-company" slaps one of their various logos on it according to the market area, then "Y-company buys the same stuff with slight modifications and..... Yadda, yadda. :rolleyes:

    You'd be amazed how many "companies" and "brands" are owned by Emerson. o_O
     
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  10. Darkker

    Darkker Mesa, Wa Active Member

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    How does one have pressure problems, with the only recourse being to buy ammo??!!
    Please tell me you aren't "Reading" pressures by brass...?
     
  11. P7id10T

    P7id10T Cedar Hills Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I'd say I'd have to resemble my name to miss the signs: flattened primers blown out of the pocket, hard bolt lift (i.e. needs torque) and having to hammer out the casing.
    Buying ammo because my reloading bench was 950 miles west of me. o_O
     
  12. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    In the long run/final analysis, even were one to have a fancy gizmo, even if that gizmo said "perfecto" or whatever, the brass tell is what really matters.. upon any particular occasion.
     
  13. Darkker

    Darkker Mesa, Wa Active Member

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    No, brass and primers don't tell you anything, and here is why.
    Anyone know what alloy their brass is?? Nope. How about their primer cups? Again, no. Anyone remember the reason why CUP is no longer used for modern cartridges? Because SAAMI sent some very carefully calibrated copper Crushers to the major ammo makers, had them test a standard reference load. The results reported pressure variations on the order of 20,000 PSI. Much like when it was discovered that Lead Crushers no longer accurately reported (at the time) high pressure cartridges, they moved to Copper Crushers. Then it was discovered that Copper won't report accurately over around 45,000 PSI, so strain gauges are now used.
    Moreover, IF one were to use something similar to Olin C260 alloy like was used during contracts for the 30-06; it was spec'd to be hardened to almost 80,000psi.

    So knowing that very carefully calibrated copper crushers can't accurately report modern pressures, there is ZERO way for uncalibrated, unknown alloy brass and primers to magically be more accurate.

    So what is a guy supposed to do, without "fancy gizmos"? Use your chronograph!! Book data is pressure tested, all powder tells you to drop your loads by 10% when switching lots. So now you know an approximate burning rate variation. Start low, chronographing the whole time and work up. Book data uses SAAMI minimum spec chamber, bore, & Groove. Production firearms are not that tight, so your velocity will not be the same at the same pressures. Working up with the chrono, you will see what amount you are slow by. Once that difference changes, you know that you are over tested pressure, regardless of charge weight, again due to the difference in burning rate.

    If you do have said "gizmo" like this Pressure Trace system, you can see that "Pressure Signs" weren't showing up in this test I did, and you can see the pressures I had.
    Screenshot_2015-01-31-15-00-18_zpsmopqcu83.png
     
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  14. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it'd be wise to blow up your gun, no matter what a chronograph says.
     
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  15. Darkker

    Darkker Mesa, Wa Active Member

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    Precisely. That's why reading brass and classic signs will get you in trouble quick. But if you watch the chrono, from starting loads, you can keep yourself off the DL.
    If one makes an assumption, or doesn't start low with the chrono, them toy get what I logged in that Pressure Trace PC above. That type of secondary ignition is exactly what Mr. Sisk, of Sisk rifles had when he blew a few barrels apart.
     
  16. blackadder

    blackadder Everett Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    It still tells you something, because as you pointed out you don't know the composition of your brass. If nothing else it's telling you that your brass is bubblegume and cannot handle the load you are putting in it regardless of what your chrono and the book says.
     
  17. Darkker

    Darkker Mesa, Wa Active Member

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    ....well, streching your action also tells you that.... Doesn't mean you should use that as a sign for load development.
     
  18. 2ndtimer

    2ndtimer SE Washington state Active Member

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    For some better quality ammo, try shooters pro shop in Bend, Oregon. They have SSA "seconds" in both 155 and 168 gr loaded with Nosler Custom Competition bullets for $14.95 per box of 20. Only thing "wrong" with them is they marked Pierce on the head stamps. They sure shoot like firsts in our heavy barrel Savage .308‘s. $12 flat shipping, too.
     
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