Ospreys = Death Trap?

[arakboss]

Another Osprey went down.

5 US Marines confirmed dead after military aircraft crashes in California

All five U.S. Marines aboard a MV-22B Osprey were killed when the aircraft crashed near Glamis, California, on Wednesday, a U.S. Marine Corps spokesman confirmed Thursday.

www.foxnews.com

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[arakboss]

Wiki List of Osprey accidents.

Accidents and incidents involving the V-22 Osprey - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[albin25]

Here's an idea…
… require Airfarse One be replaced with the Osprey. It'll be able access much smaller airports so the Pres can visit more of America.
At least then there may be a push to make it safer

 

[chukar]

I am saddened by the loss of fellow Leathernecks...

The V-22 doesn't really have a glorious record of "safety" in my opinion..

I don't know if it is the aircraft or the training, but something isn't right with the number of incidences with that tilt rotor...

I flew in Frogs and Sheeters in the olden times and survived. On the 53, when my squad member had hydraulic fluid drenching his legs and alerted the crew chief, the chief responded "It's only a problem when it stops leaking".

 

[RicInOR]

I think Marine 1 is going to be an Osprey, or under consideration.

"The MV-22 also provides transport for White House staff as part of the HMX-1 presidential squadron based in Quantico, Va."

 

[RicInOR]

the chief responded "It's only a problem when it stops leaking".

My buddy was a Ranger back in the late 80's. Their SOP was to look under all aircraft, if no hydraulic fluid on the ground, then go to the next ship as that one is dry. Often they'd have barrels aboard so the crew chief could keep replenishing the fluid levels on missions.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Its had one the longest developmental period of any aircraft, being developed from the 1980s to the 2000s, with test flights starting in 1991? And still, its record is better than the Luftwaffe's record with the F-104G Starfighters, or the Navy's record with the F7U Cutlass...

 

[Ura-Ki]

Given the new levels of maneuverability, combined with very high performance, abuse of, or overly aggressive piloting will cause losses of any airframe! I'm not saying this is what happened here, but several others were shown to have had their limits exceeded by aggressive flyers attempting to push beyond the limits! The MV-22 isn't so technically advanced, rather it's limitations vs it's potential have not been fully understood, more air crew fully held to restrictions! Right before I retired, I got to experience the MV-22 a little bit, and found it quite the machine, and the pilots were starting to fly it aggressively, something they were promised by it's design and built in performance, but we also saw it's limits and our pilots strictly held within those limits, to my knowledge, not one has been lost yet!

 

[WAW44]

 

[Member 74756]

Another Osprey went down.

5 US Marines confirmed dead after military aircraft crashes in California

All five U.S. Marines aboard a MV-22B Osprey were killed when the aircraft crashed near Glamis, California, on Wednesday, a U.S. Marine Corps spokesman confirmed Thursday.

www.foxnews.com

Training and maintenance , RIP fellow Leathernecks.

 

[arakboss]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/29/asia/us-osprey-aircraft-crashes-japan-intl-hnk/index.html

 

[PORSCHE928S4]

My buddy was a Ranger back in the late 80's. Their SOP was to look under all aircraft, if no hydraulic fluid on the ground, then go to the next ship as that one is dry. Often they'd have barrels aboard so the crew chief could keep replenishing the fluid levels on missions.

Ahhhhhh the smell of hydro can almost taste it in the air !

 

[arakboss]

US military grounds fleet of Osprey aircraft following deadly crash

The U.S. military announced Wednesday it has grounded the Air Force's Osprey CV-22 fleet following the deadly crash off the coast of Japan.

www.foxnews.com

 

[lucusloc]

I know one of the problems the Osprey has (had?) was decent rates while in vertical flight.

The rotors also need to function as hybrid propellers, which means their design optimization is not ideal. The conflicting design points are a propeller never has to deal with reversed airflow, while a helicopter rotor will have to deal with that during every decent.

In the Osprey very quick descents can cause complete loss of lift at the rotor roots. This loss of lift causes an accelerating the descent, which causes the area experiencing lift loss to creep out the rotor disk, further accelerating the descent. . . The only way to recover is the switch back into a horizontal flight regime and start producing lift with the wings again, but you can only do that if you have a significant amount of altitude, which you probably will not have seeing as you are in the vertical flight regime, which is used almost exclusively at lower altitudes. . .

As far as I am aware the only "solution" is to just not exceed descent limits. If you do RIP everyone on board as you will find yourself quickly plowing into the ground as your rotors lose all available lift. The Osprey is one bird you do not want to push the limits in. In fact you want to stay as far away from them as possible, because getting close to them can mean things like a simple upward wind shear can cause your bird to drop to the ground like a stone.