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Optic for Carry Pistol

Discussion in 'Handgun Discussion' started by RicInOR, Jan 25, 2016.

  1. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  2. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Also thinking about it.
     
  3. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    I got a M&P core with a Trijicon RMR on it. It is a super thing, but I don't carry it. If I carried a full size handgun I would consider it. I consistently put more rounds on target with the RMR

    Really, I probably shoot it the best of any handgun I own. Once you get the hang of it its hard to miss.
     
  4. Deebow

    Deebow Portland Well-Known Member

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    http://www.onesourcetactical.com/

    This is THE place to go for this. This is the place that invented it as a reality on the carry gun.

    I have a Glock 17 that has one and and I am getting one done on my 19 as my carry gun and I have seen them on the G26 size as well. Easy to carry, doesn't add any real or significant weight to the gun, and can get you good head shots at 25 years (or more) if you need them.

    The price is worth it, and Gabe is expanding to other models as well.
     
  5. MilitantBEEMER

    MilitantBEEMER Eugene Refugee from the People's Republic of Illinois Gold Supporter

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    I just bought a deltapoint from a member here yesterday. Looking forward to mounting it. I have astigmatism and I hear it helps quite a bit.

    I was also considering one of these. http://www.sigoptics.com/reflex-sights-overview/
    I was able to see one at my LGS and it was very nice. Sells for about $280
     
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  6. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    So this has come up, what should the MOA be for the red dot?

    (not sure on the grammatically correct way to word that)

    Some red dots list at 6 moa, others at 3 moa.

    Those which are less do not appear to be good candidates for pistols.

    Brightness of the dot, will be another measure, a 3 MOA at full brightness may appear to be a 6 MOA dot.


    http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/venom_red_dot

    http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/viper_red_dot

    Then the Razor comes in both
    http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/razor_red_dot



    Experiences ?
     
  7. jonn5335

    jonn5335 Longview Active Member

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    I have not carried with optics on pistols but I have hunted with them. In this instance I can tell you after trying both red dot as well as magnified optics on handguns, I prefer open sights. In a personal defense situation as well as a hunting situation you generally have a very small window to get that one good critical shot. I have found open sights have allowed for the quickest target aquisition and never require batteries or have I questioned if my open sights are zeroed. Shoot enough and point of aim becomes point of impact, it's almost second nature with enough practice.
     
  8. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    Under advice from Rainer Arms when I bought mine I went with the 6.5 MOA. (specifically the RM07) It sounds like a big dot, but in practice at handgun ranges its not.

    I am glad I went that way, In my head I really thought "small is better" but I don't think for a handgun RMR it holds true.
     
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    MilitantBEEMER Eugene Refugee from the People's Republic of Illinois Gold Supporter

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    Mine is the 7.5 and IMO it is perfect size. The 3.5 would be to small
     
  10. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Anybody use the mount that fits in the rear sight well?

    Instead of going all out with the slide melt.
     
  11. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I would like to know what y'all are carrying these in
     
  12. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    What I am seeing are some choices:
    1. Mill the slide (or buy one that way - M&P CORE
    2. Buy a mount which directly replaces the rear sight, drift out and re-use the dove tail
    Vector has one for the Razor
    http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/razor-red-dot-handgun-mount-smith-wesson-m-p
    3. Buy a mount, Picatinny rail, and attach the sight to that. http://www.sight-mount.com/

    Sight Mount has the advantage, if your battery is dead, you can rip off hte optic and still use iron sights.

    If you have a sight on the slide, then you can buy taller sights, front/rear to co-witness. That way if the optic is down, you still have sights. See M&P CORE. Example: http://www.opticsplanet.com/leupold-deltapoint-pro-rear-iron-sight.html




    I normally use Iron sights. But I am getting to the age where my eyesight is not what it once was. Focus on the FS of my Shield takes concentration, and I am wanting to get infront of the changes.
    And I did ask, I am not a candidate to have my eyes burned (lazer correction)
     
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    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    nottaproblemthen:cool:
     
  15. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure the Serpas work with reflex sights too.
    I like the Leupold built-in co-witness rear sight. no one else has that as far as I know.
    Leupold is no doubt a great (and local) company with an unbeatable warranty. If you have the bucks, there's no downside!
     
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  16. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    With the CORE it has raised sights that co witness with the RMR. No need to remove the RMR to use the iron sights if there is a RMR failure.
     
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  17. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Man for the price of an RMR it better not fail.
     
  18. j4545

    j4545 WA Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I think you can't go wrong with a latest generation RMR. I have a few on my long guns and the adj versions are quite nice.
     
  19. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I finally was able to order an optic.

    I got a Vortex Viper Red Dot 6 MOA VRD-6

    I also ordered a mount - replace the rear sight and use the existing dovetail type.
    I hope this will work.

    Since my pistol is an M&P FS, the removal of the rear sight is non-trivial.
    It can be done at home, but I'll take it to my usual gunsmith.

    I'll let you know how it goes.
     
  20. HarryHaller

    HarryHaller Kalama, WA Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    I want that Vortex 6 moa sight, I had it on order at optics planet but they cancelled it, I thinks because the release got pushed back again. Hopefully it comes out soon... I want it for my FNP 45 tactical, home defense/range fun/SHTF gun. That top loading battery really sold me on it, and warranty. Sounds like we'll both be beta testers.