On the inflation front ...

[Alexx1401]

I feel like this election just saved us from the last step in this cycle...

Sure as hell gave us a little more time. We will see what happens come next year though. A lot of the GOP will set out to prevent Trump from doing good. He does scare living hell out of a lot of them.

 

[Alexx1401]

This is exactly how Democrats get elected and why people get entitled...

Sadly we LONG ago stopped asking for freedom. Now in mass we are asking to be taken care of. There is always gov people there who are glad to trade freedom for a promise to take care of us.

 

[Richo877]

This varies GREATLY with where you live. There are many places around me where someone making 45K can live. Don't have to go far to find places where someone making that could NOT live. All of life is about choices. If someone wants to live in places like Seattle? No, they are not going to be living well on 45K a year. Those who can work have to make choices. Not making as much as they want? They have choices about how to improve.

That's fair, I could take out more student loans and look for a job in advertising, make $90k+ and contribute to more consumerism and let the masses pay for it. I could start over and pursue certifications in trades. I could go back into logistics, distribution, and materials management and make 10% more and never have time with my family. I know there's choices, but it's not unreasonable to think a 40+ hour job that's well over minimum wage should support a family in the area where they work said job.

 

[Alexx1401]

That's fair, I could take out more student loans and look for a job in advertising, make $90k+ and contribute to more consumerism and let the masses pay for it. I could start over and pursue certifications in trades. I could go back into logistics, distribution, and materials management and make 10% more and never have time with my family. I know there's choices, but it's not unreasonable to think a 40+ hour job that's well over minimum wage should support a family in the area where they work said job.

Great so you want "laws" passed to do this? Be careful what you ask for. After you get it you will NOT like what you get.

 

[Richo877]

be taken care of.

Speaking for myself, I'm asking for an economic climate that's conducive of me being able to take care of my own.

 

[Richo877]

Great so you want "laws" passed to do this? Be careful what you ask for. After you get it you will NOT like what you get.

That's a bold assumption of what I want

 

[arakboss]

That's fair, I could take out more student loans and look for a job in advertising, make $90k+ and contribute to more consumerism and let the masses pay for it. I could start over and pursue certifications in trades. I could go back into logistics, distribution, and materials management and make 10% more and never have time with my family. I know there's choices, but it's not unreasonable to think a 40+ hour job that's well over minimum wage should support a family in the area where they work said job.

"but it's not unreasonable to think a 40+ hour job that's well over minimum wage should support a family in the area where they work said job."

It's not unreasonable, unfortunately housing has shot up well beyond wage growth. That is the biggest part of the problem.




Source: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/median-house-prices-vs-income-us/

 

[Koda]

Sadly we LONG ago stopped asking for freedom. Now in mass we are asking to be taken care of. There is always gov people there who are glad to trade freedom for a promise to take care of us.

The Dependance phase of the Tytler Cycle, is supposedly the point of no return.

 

[Cavedweller]

Unfortunately, and has been discussed in other threads, the vast majority of the oil extracted in the US cannot be refined in the US as our refineries are built for thicker crude oil sourced outside the country. What we CAN do by extracting and exporting more oil is impact the price of oil internationally, thus hopefully reducing the cost for the end consumer here in the US.

We have loads of natural gas, which needs no refining.

 

[Quirt Evans]

Much of it is the old maxim of govt. "Nationalize the profit, socialize the debt".
(IIRC,) ~20% of the cost of building housing is directly related to regulatory costs that are all passed on to the buyer.
Also, the builders know that theirs's more profit in larger up-scale housing, theirs's little incentive to build what in our parents/grandparent's day were called "starter homes".
All the older guys on this forum can probably remember when only dad working could afford to support the family, mom got to stay home and actually raise the kids, (jeepers, what a novel concept. ).

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

All the older guys on this forum can probably remember when only dad working could afford to support the family, mom got to stay home and actually raise the kids, (jeepers, what a novel concept. ).

And all the older guys (and gals) will be the only ones that understand this

 

[nwslopoke]

In your opinion, is someone who isn't working at the bottom and makes $45k+ annually considered a low wage introduction worker? In this economy, a head of household at that level is poor.

It's not low wage, it's just unfortunate. Look, at one point, I had to spend a year with my grandparents in Compton (thanks mom). My father was an A/H and my mother had 4 kids going different directions to school and what not. Something had to give.

But in the case of a skilled/experienced worker making $45k, what is the next step? A lot closer than the low skilled worker. Not a dig at that worker, just facts. Which one is ready for management, more training (possible certification), or being sent out to represent the company?

So, being working poor should be temporary. Staying working poor especially generational, is bad planning and or averting any risks. In my opinion, that is. I am not rich but I am truly blessed. Hopefully when presented with opportunities, one is ready. Even just recognizing there is an opportunity can put you at the next step.

 

[nwslopoke]

An all the older guys (and gals) will be the only ones that understand this

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Would you rather be a Bundy or a Brady? I think the Bundy's had more fun.

 

[unionguy]

That's fair, I could take out more student loans and look for a job in advertising, make $90k+ and contribute to more consumerism and let the masses pay for it. I could start over and pursue certifications in trades. I could go back into logistics, distribution, and materials management and make 10% more and never have time with my family. I know there's choices, but it's not unreasonable to think a 40+ hour job that's well over minimum wage should support a family in the area where they work said job.

40 hours used to be enough, but then corporate greed took over about 50 years ago. There's been a steady assault on people's paychecks ever since. We have record corporate profits but not record setting wages. Ask why. When we all figure out both parties are in cahoots with the mega-corporations and the super-rich...then real change will happen. Until then, we'll just fight over red vs. blue while they take more and more of our green! Good times.

 

[Jay Walk]

Sadly we LONG ago stopped asking for freedom. Now in mass we are asking to be taken care of. There is always gov people there who are glad to trade freedom for a promise to take care of us.

And there's many more of them added every day.

 

[Alexx1401]

The Dependance phase of the Tytler Cycle, is supposedly the point of no return.

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No one of course knows how long this "great experiment" will last. It is a real shame history is no longer taught. The vast majority of those who live here have no clue just how well they live. If we some day go back to being subjects many will line up to turn in any who dare tell others how it "used to be".

 

[Alexx1401]

Speaking for myself, I'm asking for an economic climate that's conducive of me being able to take care of my own.

Don't we ALL "want" that? The giant rub is how do we get there and stay there. It really is a damn shame almost no one bothers to read history.

 

[Alexx1401]

That's a bold assumption of what I want

Then exactly how do you "want" this fixed for you?

 

[Alexx1401]

"but it's not unreasonable to think a 40+ hour job that's well over minimum wage should support a family in the area where they work said job."

It's not unreasonable, unfortunately housing has shot up well beyond wage growth. That is the biggest part of the problem.




Source: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/median-house-prices-vs-income-us/

Again the "why" is what few seem to want to talk about here. Yes we can jump up and down and scream its not fair. We can long for the "good old days". Meanwhile in the here and now there is still "why"? Why is it the way it is now and what do we do to try to make it better. Charts and video showing its not fair do what to "fix this"? I must be missing something here.

 

[Alexx1401]

We have loads of natural gas, which needs no refining.

Anyone notice the war against gas now? As soon as it became clear we had abundant amounts of it one party started in attacking it. Memories are amazingly short. How many decades was Nat Gas called "the clean burning" fuel? How many things were touted as great because they ran on this source? Now the blue states are leading the way to try to make us stop using it. No one seems to wonder why?
No one who is "told" we don't have refineries for the crude ever bothers to ask themself why? As if we suddenly just forgot how to build them? We seem to as a whole strive to be subjects. An amazing number of people seek out ways to become subjects.