Odd 308 Win Loads

[BigGame]

What can you tell me about these odd plastic sheathes around the bullets in these 308 Win loads?

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[ma96782]

I believe that they might be "accelerator" rounds .......well, maybe that was the marketing term. I forget who was the makers. Perhaps, Remington?

They acted like a "sabot". You know on the AP tank rounds.

Aloha, Mark

 

[Longwalkhome]

Accelerators, look factory by Remington.

You can build your own.

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[ma96782]

REMINGTON'S PAST MYSTERY CARTRIDGES: THE .22 ACCELERATORS - The Classic Woodsman

Ever hear of the Remington Accelerator rifle cartridges? Think about a .22 caliber saboted bullet fired from a .30 caliber rifle. Let’s dive into history […]

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Aloha, Mark

 

[BigGame]

Thanks, and nice article reference.

"In closing of this examination of the odd Accelerator cartridges much mystery still surrounds this now obsolete cartridge. While saboted shotgun slugs and muzzleloading projectiles abound centerfire rifle cartridges stalled out for the most part except possibly for military use. Also, proven use of the Accelerator cartridges on game has proven quite fleeting to find. Will the centerfire sporting concept of the saboted rifle bullet be visited again? Only time will tell."

 

[BigGame]

I wonder what cleaner works best to get plastic sabot out once it's smeared across the lands of your barrel.

 

[kmk1012]

I wonder what cleaner works best to get plastic sabot out once it's smeared across the lands of your barrel.

High velocity copper

 

[bcp]

Converts your 308 to a 22-250 equivalent.

Remington Accelerator Cartridges

The infamous Remington Accelerator cartridge was introduced in 1977 in three different high-powered rifle cartridges: .30-30, .308 and .30-06.

www.shootersreport.com

Accelerator Type Sabots for .30 Caliber Cartridges (100)

accelerator type sabots for .30 caliber cartridges (100) - shoot 223 cal bullets in 30 cal rifles. Sabots, 30 cal sabots, accelerator sabots, 22 to 30 cal sabots, eabco sabots, 077-SAB.

eabco.com

.308 Accelerator Sabot rounds *Price Drop*

13 rounds of Remington 55 grain PSP .308 Win Accelerator Sabot ammo. Plastic/polymer sabot holds a .224 cal 55 grain bullet and propels them to about 3800 fps with about 1800 ft. lbs of energy. $10 cash or PayPal. Please send offers via PM.

www.northwestfirearms.com

Bruce

 

[bionic knees]

used to shoot some 30-06 accelerators before I got my dedicated varmint rifle, they actually worked quite well.

 

[Stomper]

Converts your 308 to a 22-250 equivalent.

Remington Accelerator Cartridges

The infamous Remington Accelerator cartridge was introduced in 1977 in three different high-powered rifle cartridges: .30-30, .308 and .30-06.

www.shootersreport.com

Accelerator Type Sabots for .30 Caliber Cartridges (100)

accelerator type sabots for .30 caliber cartridges (100) - shoot 223 cal bullets in 30 cal rifles. Sabots, 30 cal sabots, accelerator sabots, 22 to 30 cal sabots, eabco sabots, 077-SAB.

eabco.com

.308 Accelerator Sabot rounds *Price Drop*

13 rounds of Remington 55 grain PSP .308 Win Accelerator Sabot ammo. Plastic/polymer sabot holds a .224 cal 55 grain bullet and propels them to about 3800 fps with about 1800 ft. lbs of energy. $10 cash or PayPal. Please send offers via PM.

www.northwestfirearms.com

Bruce

Make .308 into .223 again!








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[JuglansRegia]

Hmm, l wonder how these plastic sabots would perform with a lead free environmentally friendly tungsten carbide projectile cut to the same dimensions as 55gr fmj's

 

[gmerkt]

I loaded some of those myself. At 75 yards, they printed a group of about 2-1/2 inches as I recall. But bear in mind, these take a different technique in loading than ordinary centerfire and these were my first effort at doing it. I used bulk Rem. .224 PSP's. They were fired in my old Win. Mod. 70, I didn't notice any residue from the plastic carrier. Or maybe I should say, after cleaning, I didn't see anything remaining.

The .308's using this projectile set-up take a fast rifle powder, like IMR 4198 or similar.

At one time, I had several boxes of Rem. factory Accelerator loads but they were too valuable to shoot just for kicks so I sold them.

One thing to think about, the actual bullet doesn't receive any engraving from the rifle bore. So they would be a tricky thing forensically. I suppose investigators might find the location where it was fired, and look around for the carrier sabot. Which may or may not be of any value for evidence.

 

[MatthewDB]

They don't work well at all. The problem is that the smaller the bullet, the faster the required twist rate to keep is stable. A late model .223 will have a 1 in 7" twist rate. This is required to keep the small diameter, fast moving bullet stable. Both the .308 and 30-06 is going to have a twist rate well into the teens. It simply won't keep the bullet stable, and out past 100 yards it is going to start tumbling end over end.

 

[MatthewDB]

One thing to think about, the actual bullet doesn't receive any engraving from the rifle bore. So they would be a tricky thing forensically. I suppose investigators might find the location where it was fired, and look around for the carrier sabot. Which may or may not be of any value for evidence.

If that's your concern, use buckshot.

That said, bullet forensics have been heavily debunked. Much of what used to be considered "solid science" has been proved to be hokum.

 

[bpyycpyy]

Accelerator Type Sabots for .30 Caliber Cartridges (100)

accelerator type sabots for .30 caliber cartridges (100) - shoot 223 cal bullets in 30 cal rifles. Sabots, 30 cal sabots, accelerator sabots, 22 to 30 cal sabots, eabco sabots, 077-SAB.

eabco.com

I've pinned the above link to keep it handy. I've toyed around with getting some of these to try out but haven't made the move yet. Apparently there is load data for almost all the 30 calibers, including 300 Weatherby Magnum. Some crazy velocities listed...

https://store-9j3z4j4d5n.mybigcommerce.com/content/SabotLoadData.pdf

 

[Nosferatu]

Make .308 into .223 again!








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.223 +P+

 

[Certaindeaf]

They don't work well at all. The problem is that the smaller the bullet, the faster the required twist rate to keep is stable. A late model .223 will have a 1 in 7" twist rate. This is required to keep the small diameter, fast moving bullet stable. Both the .308 and 30-06 is going to have a twist rate well into the teens. It simply won't keep the bullet stable, and out past 100 yards it is going to start tumbling end over end.

1/10 .308 twist is common/ standard.
Original M16 twist was 1/14.. accurate and deadly.
What you say makes no sense at all.