No more Glocks?

[Koda]

I doubt California AG's have much sway with the 400+ makers of AR's

Now that glock caved, all the antis need to do next is ban any guns that accept certain features...

 

[wired]

Now that glock caved, all the antis need to do next is ban any guns that accept certain features...

As they often do. Switches were not good for Glocks optics. They still like LEO/Government sales.

 

[Assault Rifle]

The value of my Gen 3 17L just went through the roof!

 

[CamoDeafie]

@wired, maybe you'd be best to confirm but did the Glock 18 machine pistol use a device similar to the switch or was it a totally different setup?

Agreed that companies don't have to consider the 2A in selling their weapons, since there's always bigger money in contracts, from LE and govt. It is optional though. See Barrett and their refusal to sell anything Barrett to CA police depts.

 

[Koda]

It will be interesting to see how this affects sales of all the Gen3 clones out there. From entire guns like Zev to custom builds and frames.

 

[spookshack]

Well with regard to CA, they got caught up in the Glock ban dragnet. Any cruciform style trigger is now screwed there as well. WA/OR and other states will most assuredly be jumping on this bandwagon.

 

[wired]

@wired, maybe you'd be best to confirm but did the Glock 18 machine pistol use a device similar to the switch or was it a totally different setup?

Agreed that companies don't have to consider the 2A in selling their weapons, since there's always bigger money in contracts, from LE and govt. It is optional though. See Barrett and their refusal to sell anything Barrett to CA police depts.

The Glock 18 was a completely different device with a cam switch mounted in the slide and Glock went though great pains to make sure none of the parts from an 18 would swap onto anything else. Glock switches are aftermarket contrivances that do the same thing a Glock 18 does in a different fashion. I understand why Glock is doing what its doing and to be honest I dont have a problem with it. Is there a actual need to have their guns accept an aftermarket machinegun conversion device that isnt legal anywhere? I can , and have, printed one in 15 minutes.

@wired, maybe you'd be best to confirm but did the Glock 18 machine pistol use a device similar to the switch or was it a totally different setup?

Agreed that companies don't have to consider the 2A in selling their weapons, since there's always bigger money in contracts, from LE and govt. It is optional though. See Barrett and their refusal to sell anything Barrett to CA police depts.

Barrett was never going to make much money off CA police sales. Some yes, a LOT , no. Glock was losing out on literally billions a year in lost revenue from the CA market not to mention other states following suit.

 

[pdberry]

Well with regard to CA, they got caught up in the Glock ban dragnet. Any cruciform style trigger is now screwed there as well. WA/OR and other states will most assuredly be jumping on this bandwagon.

I don't think that very many of the clones were even on the CA roster, so most couldn't be bought there already.

 

[DunRanull]

Glock blows, thanks Katherine. Glad I got mine, I see myself investing in CZ in future.

 

[1775usmc]

The Glock 18 was a completely different device with a cam switch mounted in the slide and Glock went though great pains to make sure none of the parts from an 18 would swap onto anything else. Glock switches are aftermarket contrivances that do the same thing a Glock 18 does in a different fashion. I understand why Glock is doing what its doing and to be honest I dont have a problem with it. Is there a actual need to have their guns accept an aftermarket machinegun conversion device that isnt legal anywhere? I can , and have, printed one in 15 minutes.



Barrett was never going to make much money off CA police sales. Some yes, a LOT , no. Glock was losing out on literally billions a year in lost revenue from the CA market not to mention other states following suit.

Yup. I don't care either. But I also have SBRs and suppressors. So I was already a boot licker.

 

[1775usmc]

View: https://youtu.be/IoX1eMkEKPk?si=o9GPt-DVe750ULaV

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

 

[Tlock]

The value of my Gen 3 17L just went through the roof!

No

 

[NeoBlackdog]

No

Don't you go and start tryin' to low ball him! He's sittin' on a fortune!
This's gonna make my 24 worth BILLIONS!!

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

 

[CamoDeafie]

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The issue isn't just "common use". The issue is apparently in "common use for lawful purposes" as explained by this 10th Circuit decision. Since there are zero pre 1986 transferable Glock Switches; and because they have been primarily used by "criminals" with very few FFLs using them, much less any LEOs.... It seems to follow Heller and Miller that weapons "exclusively used by criminals" are not afforded 2A protection. (By interpretation of only weapons in common use for "lawful purposes" are afforded 2A protections )

Tenth Circuit Upholds Machinegun Ban After Reversing Lower Court

Banning machineguns doesn’t violate the Second Amendment, according to a new federal appeals court ruling.

thereload.com

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca10.89031/gov.uscourts.ca10.89031.72.1.pdf

 

[spookshack]

No need to be a buzzkill…..geez.

 

[CamoDeafie]

No need to be a buzzkill…..geez.

Just saying why it is better to go after the Hughes Amendment and get that one part overturned or repealed... And then work our way to repealing the rest of the NFA but..... I can say I'm "6'11, 200 pounds of Viking-Indian muscle"( complete fabrication lol ) and it won't change much except the NFA will still exist, the Hughes Amendment won't be repealed by Congress and probably not touched by the Fed Courts

 

[CamoDeafie]

One thing you could maybe make a case for repealing at least parts of GCA and NFA..... Is to argue that because of the cruciform trigger system and the Glock Switch being easily available; that lawfully common handguns that are "readily made/modified into machine guns", are in fact 2A protected, and thus Hughes Amendment should be repealed on its own, possibly also parts of the NFA.... But that could be a very difficult case to succeed in any District Court, given that the Switches are considered defacto illegal on their own because of the Hughes Amendment.

It would be the same NFA field to hoe the row as the whole SBR/pistol brace thing regarding AR15s.. but it might give reprieve from Hughes Amendment if lawyers can argue that it's unconstitutional to close the MG registry and artificially limit the number of lawfully owned (by non-LEO) machine guns to those made before 1986, if you can get SCOTUS to agree in the same vein as the Thompson, Center Arms case of the 90s in which you could go pistol to rifle then to pistol ("as long as not NFA configuration" ) ... Basically declare the opinion of ATF that "once a machine gun, always a machine gun", is invalid.

 

[Sxsnuf]

So glad I've never owned a Glock

To each his own.
I'm kinda happy I got my G22 when I did. 40, 9mm, 357 sig, all from the same basic platform? Wondering though if I'll need a different "switch" for each chambering.