Mass mob robbery..something to behold

[nwslopoke]

"It's only a property crime."

Businesses don't want to put up any resistance to these flash mob robberies. Too much potential liability. Yet these kinds of things can only be ignored so long until there is no money to be made in the business. The nature of business is to make a profit of money. If that can't be done, then the business must close. Societies that live in high crime areas sometimes complain that they are underserved by business. And that somehow, this is a thing of discrimination. Yes, businesses are discriminating against these areas because they can't make money, or alternatively, they can't make money safely.

Parts of LA never fully recovered from what was already a distressed area. In the area of LA, I grew up in, we had three major markets that were reasonably walking distance from most parts or a short bus ride. After the riots there was one. That one changed hands several times.

When you chase out the established businesses, you lose the grounds to complain, your area is being targeted or you're in some sort of food desert.

While not directly gun related, it is about violence and the long lasting results. It pushes everyone out to the nearest suburbs to do basic shopping and takes even more cash away from the local areas that need it most.

30 years later, the part of LA I grew up in is worse visually and socially than ever. Same complaints, same empty promises, same future for Oakland.

 

[m8112]

My comments in no particular order...

• Ferals being Feral
• Well it's Oak Town so it's not surprising. The people are getting EXACTLY what they voted for. Most of them, however, are too dumb to realize it.
• I am wondering, however, how much longer people will put up with this, before they simply start shooting people.
• And If I were on the jury for a shopkeeper that did that, I would NEVER vote to find them guilty. There is no reason why law abiding citizens should be putting up with this nonsense.

The problem is, juries are made up of their peers and not property owners. Change the rules and defending your property with deadly force will change the country.

 

[Mikej]

Parts of LA never fully recovered from what was already a distressed area. In the area of LA, I grew up in, we had three major markets that were reasonably walking distance from most parts or a short bus ride. After the riots there was one. That one changed hands several times.

When you chase out the established businesses, you lose the grounds to complain, your area is being targeted or you're in some sort of food desert.

While not directly gun related, it is about violence and the long lasting results. It pushes everyone out to the nearest suburbs to do basic shopping and takes even more cash away from the local areas that need it most.

30 years later, the part of LA I grew up in is worse visually and socially than ever. Same complaints, same empty promises, same future for Oakland.

There are many buildings, former businesses, that have folded in many parts of potland. They are still there, empty, most with graffiti.
There are some real sad stories of businesses that closed not too long after the rona hit. The locked buildings would be broken into by street skells. The neighbors would could call the police, the city, anyone they could think of. Nothing was ever really done to stop this. Run 'em out, and they'd be back in a week or two. In one case the bums eventually burnt the building down. And there's an empty hole in a neighborhood that used to have a decent piece of Portland history, dive bar and grill.

 

[orygun]

SE Portland used to be a little skanky but was very cool.

It's not that good anymore.

 

[Alexx1401]

Parts of LA never fully recovered from what was already a distressed area. In the area of LA, I grew up in, we had three major markets that were reasonably walking distance from most parts or a short bus ride. After the riots there was one. That one changed hands several times.

When you chase out the established businesses, you lose the grounds to complain, your area is being targeted or you're in some sort of food desert.

While not directly gun related, it is about violence and the long lasting results. It pushes everyone out to the nearest suburbs to do basic shopping and takes even more cash away from the local areas that need it most.

30 years later, the part of LA I grew up in is worse visually and socially than ever. Same complaints, same empty promises, same future for Oakland.

LONG ago this started here. One part of town that was for a long time a lower middle class place. LOT of people who owned homes and of course worked. Slowly it got worse and worse till there was mostly rental and much of that subsidized. They had one large grocer. First one I had ever seen back then to have both those anti theft things and armed guards. They finally threw in the towel and closed up. Soon those who lived there started screaming for law makers who made the mess to "do something". Several of them to appease the rubes would go to a camera and say they were seeking "new laws". Rubes hear this and really believed they could pass a law to force a business to open up there. Of course this never happened. The people who live there have a long drive or bus ride to find a grocer and they keep voting for more of it. So they can enjoy it.

 

[L84Cabo]

If it's like potland, the people of Oakland didn't have anyone on the ballot to vote for that was anything more than "terrible/worthless", and "terribler" / "worthlesser".

Problems don't usually fix themselves. And the worse the problem, the more you're going to have to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. There are certainly good people in both locations. So why aren't any of them stepping up to challenge the tyrants?

 

[Alexx1401]

Problems don't usually fix themselves. And the worse the problem, the more you're going to have to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. There are certainly good people in both locations. So why aren't any of them stepping up to challenge the tyrants?

Because they would lose. Blue cities become a form of mental disorder. They get worse and worse and still a majority votes for more of the same. Until a lot more pain is felt nothing can be fixed. Look how many gun owners here want Joe to win another term. That shows you why cities like Potland and Seattle are such a mess still

 

[Mikej]

Problems don't usually fix themselves. And the worse the problem, the more you're going to have to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. There are certainly good people in both locations. So why aren't any of them stepping up to challenge the tyrants?

That's one of the things that will never be understood about the mental illness of the democrat majority. It's a world of the sun rising in the West and setting in the East.

SE Portland used to be a little skanky but was very cool.

It's not that good anymore.

I've been up here in the NE since I moved here 42+ years ago. Not knowing anything of Portland neighborhoods, moved in to the Alberta street area. NE 27th and Sumner. I figure the hoods in SE were similar. I came from The Salt lake Valley, our small, bad neighbor hoods there, were quit different. We were within a stones throw of Portland's "Crack Alley". But back then the police came when you called. The city worked toward ridding the city of crime. Shoplifters got taken to jail. You knew your neighbors. It was a dynamic situation. Now the leaders are unreachable garbage.

 

[Diamondback]

And this is why private citizens have a legit need for belt-fed machine guns.

 

[Member 74756]

I don't even know where to begin with this. A couple of takeaways...took cops 9 hours to respond...$25,000 taken from a newly filled atm machine...

Yeah my 10 round mag is gunna really help in that, lololol, thanks inslee

 

[CamoDeafie]

The security firms in the Phillipines have the right idea

Full auto 12ga shotguns

 

[po18guy]

The security firms in the Phillipines have the right idea

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This is Guatemala, but El Salvador is the same.

 

[nwslopoke]

I wonder what legal protections private security gets in those countries?

 

[CamoDeafie]

I wonder what legal protections private security gets in those countries?

Probably more than the average private citizen?

 

[PiratePast40]

If I was on the jury? They would get hung jury at best. Sadly of course if an employee there does drop any of them? The DA will go after them with everything and lock them up. Only choice is business there just give up. When enough do something will change but, sadly it seems to have to get FAR worse first.

The reality is that there doesn't seem to be an immediate threat to the life of the storekeeper. Absent that threat, lethal force isn't justified.

 

[Diamondback]

The reality is that there doesn't seem to be an immediate threat to the life of the storekeeper. Absent that threat, lethal force isn't justified.

Disparity of numbers IS frequently considered a Deadly Force attack in its own right.

 

[spookshack]

This RTK understood the assignment…..

 

[PiratePast40]

Disparity of numbers IS frequently considered a Deadly Force attack in its own right.

Cash register, ATM, and some goods in a convenience store aren't worth me going to jail and facing a long costly trial. Pepper spray might be fun, but you had better know what the ventilation is going to blow back into your own face.

If you're outnumbered, or for that matter, in a fair fight, you probably chose poorly. Never aggravate a situation you know you can't win. Sometimes it's best to let the idiots do idiot things, and just walk away.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Cash register, ATM, and some goods in a convenience store aren't worth me going to jail and facing a long costly trial. Pepper spray might be fun, but you had better know what the ventilation is going to blow back into your own face.

If you're outnumbered, or for that matter, in a fair fight, you probably chose poorly. Never aggravate a situation you know you can't win. Sometimes it's best to let the idiots do idiot things, and just walk away.

Not disagreeing but a couple related thoughts fwiw. As a customer or employee yes. If it was the business owner they might think differently.

Re pepper spray, would work for an individual or maybe two, but not a mob probably. Stream type is not going to blow back in your face unless you are wrestling on the ground maybe. When I was attacked the pom pepper spray incapacitated him immediately and I got no blow back, never even smelled it, even on my fingers. Cloud type though yes for sure there could be blowback which is why I don't use those. Costs $12 so could practice in backyard with it for those that never seem to believe this no blowback fact for stream type pepper spray.

The mere presence of a truck gun, for example a small handy .308 or 5.56/300 BlK etc., might make the mob go away and solve the problem with no shots fired. Gotta be prepared to use it though if needed, not saying just a bluff only. For example confronting them with a command presence and a rifle/truck gun from a position of cover. Doesn't mean you have to shoot but you have control of the situation (as much as possible) and if they don't respond to your commands you can take further action (whatever that action is appropriate for you in that situation). Again owner vs employee probably different as perception of risk/reward may be different.

 

[Diamondback]

I'm no saying it would have been the best tactical choice, just that they DID have legit reason to fear for their lives. If I'm the DA seeing something like this that gets some pieces of looting dogcrap genepool-chlorinated my first thought is "rebuttably leaning Justified, pending further investigation."

Me, I probably would have had a line premarked on the floor and told the crowd "stuff is insurable but any of you who cross this red line WILL be taken as intending to harm me or my employees and engaged accordingly. You stay on that side of the line and as long as nobody pulls a gun the shotgun stays under the counter."