Lets be diligent with gun malfunctions!

[Jade Falcon]

I think these are both modern firearms (and I think @Andy54Hawken would agree). I've found neither one to go off on their own without user input.

I didn't think so either, and like I said I've never heard of that happening with any modern semi-auto pistol. I just thought, if the gun was malfunctioning, then it COULD be a possibility.

 

[titsonritz]

They're dangerous tools I don't know why people want to pretend they aren't.

They are no more dangerous than people make them.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=575xM6Uljw4


Personally, I train to clear malfunctions to the point it is subconscious, day or night and I sure has hell don't stick my mug in front of the muzzle while I'm doing it.

 

[RedRover]

One can't force a person to read a manual before using (a potentially dangerous to life & health) tool.
However, it's not like the manufacturors don't try to get one's attention enough; putting in bright red:
READ THE INSTRUCTIONS AND WARNINGS CAREFULLY BEFORE HANDLING AND USING THIS FIREARM.

Perhaps a case of: "I don't need to read no stinking manual" strikes again.
Firearm safety is paramount 100% of the time, and never redundant.
It's accidental deaths like this that remind people of the consequences for being careless.
It can take being forgetful or reckless only once...

 

[titsonritz]

One can't force a person to read a manual before using (a potentially dangerous to life & health) tool.
However, it's not like the manufacturors don't try to get one's attention enough; putting in bright red:
READ THE INSTRUCTIONS AND WARNINGS CAREFULLY BEFORE HANDLING AND USING THIS FIREARM.

Perhaps a case of: "I don't need to read no stinking manual" strikes again.
Firearm safety is paramount 100% of the time, and never redundant.
It's accidental deaths like this that remind people of the consequences for being careless.
It can take being forgetful or reckless only once...

Some of them put that billboard crap on their barrels.

 

[RedRover]

Some of them put that billboard crap on their barrels.

That's their attorneys making their mark.
With our heavily litigious society, and no lack of stupidity when it comes to self-preservation, there's no wonder why.

 

[Stomper]

You mean besides getting shot in the forehead? This definitely belongs in the Darwin thread.

You spell THIS malfunction... D-A-R-W-I-N

 

[Member 24198]

I think these are both modern firearms (and I think @Andy54Hawken would agree). I've found neither one to go off on their own without user input.

SIG has entered the chat.

 

[Sxsnuf]

I once had the opportunity to restore an 03-A3 that my brother in law had left in an unheated storage unit, for years. The rust was literally protruding from the parkerized metal. After reprimanding him for the lack of care he had shown it, I offered to take it home and see what I could do with it. The parkerized finish responded well to 0000 steel wool and wd40, and eventually looked great. The wood was very mouldy and had to be refinished. After reassembling the rifle, I ran it through some function tests. While testing the function of the 3 position safety, I discovered that if you pulled the trigger with the safety on, the firing pin would drop as soon as the safety was disengaged. A thorough bolt disassembly and cleaning resolved the issue.
Point being, that gun was dangerous because it had been neglected and abused to the point that it no longer functioned as designed. After many hours of scrubbing, sanding and applying a new tru-oil finish, it looked like new, but was still an accident waiting to happen. Only after a rudimentary function test, by an amateur, was it eventually rendered safe to return to it's owner for future use.
Who knows what might have happened in the case we're discussing here?

 

[arakboss]

Guns are inherently dangerous. That's the nature of the tool.

I agree with everybody else. Guns in the hands of a person are no more dangerous than a pool noodle, except for P320s. You never know what one of those will do. /s

 

[Sxsnuf]

From the article:

"Fort Worth police are investigating the incident, and the Tarrant County Medical Examiner's Office is working to determine the official cause of death."

Uh,,,, gunshot to the head, maybe?

 

[arakboss]

From the article:

"Fort Worth police are investigating the incident, and the Tarrant County Medical Examiner's Office is working to determine the official cause of death."

Uh,,,, gunshot to the head, maybe?

The medical examiners need to get paid too

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

From the article:

"Fort Worth police are investigating the incident, and the Tarrant County Medical Examiner's Office is working to determine the official cause of death."

Uh,,,, gunshot to the head, maybe?

Just a guess but I'm thinking maybe they mean was it a suicide, 'operator error', mechanical failure or a defective firearm.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Just a guess but I'm thinking maybe they mean was it a suicide, 'operator error', mechanical failure or a defective firearm.

Good question ...sad to say....but an important question nevertheless.
Andy

 

[WillametteWill]

I agree with everybody else. Guns in the hands of a person are no more dangerous than a pool noodle, except for P320s. You never know what one of those will do. /s

Two things happen when you say something like this about 320s:

1) Somewhere in the world a child loses a balloon.
2) @sobo detects a disturbance in the force

 

[arakboss]

Two things happen when you say something like this about 320s:

1) Somewhere in the world a child loses a balloon.
2) @sobo detects a disturbance in the force

 

[Member 53867]

The medical examiners need to get paid too

Support Your Local Coroner. Die Strangely.

 

[deadeye]

Two things happen when you say something like this about 320s:

1) Somewhere in the world a child loses a balloon.
2) @sobo detects a disturbance in the force

Well I think if we dropped @sobo he would most definitely go off have an accidental discharge too.

 

[Sxsnuf]

Just a guess but I'm thinking maybe they mean was it a suicide, 'operator error', mechanical failure or a defective firearm.

I suppose that's a good point. It honestly didn't occur to me that Tarrant county had their very own Ducky or Quincy on staff. I thought the investigating officers or detectives would be the ones to determine HOW the victim sustained a fatal GSW to the head.
By the grace of God, this individual only killed himself, and not a bystander.

 

[Koda]

Point being, that gun was dangerous because it had been neglected and abused to the point that it no longer functioned as designed. After many hours of scrubbing, sanding and applying a new tru-oil finish, it looked like new, but was still an accident waiting to happen. Only after a rudimentary function test, by an amateur, was it eventually rendered safe to return to it's owner for future use.
Who knows what might have happened in the case we're discussing here?

As long as the 4 simple rules of gun safety are followed, nothing would ever happen.
Thats not justifying the need to repair a defective gun though.

 

[sobo]

I agree with everybody else. Guns in the hands of a person are no more dangerous than a pool noodle, except for P320s. You never know what one of those will do. /s