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Lance Armstrong

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by AlphaCoyote, Aug 24, 2012.

  1. AlphaCoyote

    AlphaCoyote Oh, I get around. New Member

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    "I didn't do it, but I'll agree to the death penalty just to get this behind me." I wonder if we'd find that credible out of the mouth of an accused murderer.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Rascals

    Rascals Portland Or Active Member

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    Ya. I for one got a BS charge and after 2 years of fighting just gave in becasue of all the money and energy it took to fight it. Sometimes they just wear you down. Mostly becasue we all pay the wages of the people fighting against us. So are they gonna go back and strip everybody else if they get rumors about it? Heck I think I heard someone say they heard that Babe Ruth drank tons of beer the night before games. So did the yeast make him better? Strip him of all of his titles. How about David when he went against Goliath? I heard he had some bread the day before, There you go again yeast. And it has been proven to enhance performance so lets strip him out of the bible.

    I mean come on I dont care what he was taking if its not proven he is innocent. Its just another Witch Hunt.
     
  3. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    Didn't he pass every drug test thrown at him for most of a decade? How can they now say what he was on then?

    I don't care much about the sport but the guy dedicated years to training and racing and they come along seven years later and strip away his titles without releasing any evidence?
     
  4. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Eye witnesses and newer testing procedures.
     
  5. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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  6. DieselScout

    DieselScout S Clackamas County Well-Known Member

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    Heard on the radio of the riders who were on the podium with him for those 7 wins, only 1 is not involved in a doping investigation or hasn't been banned already for doping.
     
  7. JackFrost

    JackFrost Central Oregon Active Member

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    Before this thread is locked, I for one think its a load of BS!!!!! :deadhorse:
     
  8. lamrith

    lamrith tacoma Active Member

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    The guy passed over 500 RANDOM drug tests during his carreer. He is likely the most drug tested person on the planet by a large margin. We are talking 6am on a Sat "knock knock, piss in this cup or you are banned.." even approaching him on an evening out in a restaurant and making him give a sample, and he passed it every time.

    Plane and simple they just could not believe he was clean so they hounded, accused, tested and harassed him to the point he gave up. I am willing to bet he has spent as much in legal fees the last few years defending against these claims as he ever earned in endorsements from winning..
     
  9. teflon97239

    teflon97239 Portland, OR Well-Known Member

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    True dat. Lance isn't making the money he used to. Paying a legal team to try to clear his name requires new wins and new backers - not just savings, ebbing residuals and reputation.

    Given my own mortal career patterns, I can relate. An attorney once talked me into settling a matter out of court, explaining "Dude, you can't afford to WIN!"

    LA is in a sad, unenviable situation. Clean or dirty, whatever everyone decides to believe about a superhuman athlete who dominated bicycling for a long time, some will have it right and some will have it wrong.
     
  10. Dapapadon

    Dapapadon Gladstone, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I'm siding with Lance!
     
  11. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Smart of him to give them the finger. It will just enhance his popularity and he can finally get on with his life.
     
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  12. pokerace

    pokerace Newberg Well-Known Member

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    you really believe the other rider are telling the truth.
     
  13. iamme

    iamme Lane County Well-Known Member

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    Why would they lie about something like that instead of just admitting his being better than them?? That just makes no sense, all those passed UA's must have just been coincidence and luck........
     
  14. lowly monk

    lowly monk Beaverton, Oregon. Just a guy. Bronze Supporter

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    I side with lance.
     
  15. MarkAd

    MarkAd Port Orchard Well-Known Member

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    From what I know there is no doubt that Lance Armstong is quilty of being a superb athlete.
    I support him.
     
  16. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    Good. I never liked that guy.
     
  17. lamrith

    lamrith tacoma Active Member

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    I was an avid cyclist and myself wonder at his ability, but I have also researched and followed what he has gone thru.

    The other cyclists turned on him because they were getting deals to lessen their own sanctions for getting caught that's why. Landis failed a test and started a huge brew-haha, this was AFTER lance retired. Then he pulled Lance into it hoping to get the heat taken off and reduced penalties...

    No way coincidence and luck can get you thru 500 tests without a single fail. Just not possible given the randomness they used.
     
  18. AlphaCoyote

    AlphaCoyote Oh, I get around. New Member

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    I used to be a huge defender of Lance's, but the evidence is just becoming overwhelming. He knows that too.

    One of his "accusers" and an early one at that was the wife of Frankie Andreu. She has sworn under oath that, when Lance was first diagnosed with cancer, she was present when the doctor was asking what medications he had taken in the past. He listed a bunch for the doctor -- including EPO.

    As for the drug tests, a really smart doper (and Lance is one clever dude) can stay ahead of the technology in the testing by understanding how it works and setting the methods and timing of the doping accordingly. It's much harder now, but it seems entirely plausible to me that Lance was just a smarter doper than those who got caught. We'll never know how many doped, were tested, and never got caught.

    Finally, Landis (Mr. Guilty) went through the charade of contesting the charges against him all the way to the end, was banned, THEN admitted that he doped. Why would Lance allow 7 TdeF titles to be stripped if he were innocent? Wouldn't he of all people be determined to go down swinging if he did nothing wrong?
     
  19. gaijinsamurai

    gaijinsamurai Beaverton Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    As far as I'm concerned, those seven titles are still his.
     
  20. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Same here!!

    No way could he show clean through 500+ tests over the years. Stupid witch hunt paid for by US taxpayers.