Just thinking about current legislation

[Camelfilter]

...State of Jefferson.

Please.

 

[Stomper]

A flaming bag of poo on their front porch......

 

[Koda]

If you made a new state the Dems would take that over too.

 

[CamoDeafie]

If you made a new state the Dems would take that over too.

Depends on the cities/areas. Might be more like Wyoming (no one seems to want to move to Wyoming from Portland/Seattle/etc). Spokane is the questionable one for a new State in East Washington; but in East Oregon there's Pendleton, Hermiston and Ontario?

 

[Camelfilter]

If you made a new state the Dems would take that over too.

Perhaps.

However if the new states constitutions were written correctly, urban population centers couldn't out vote / overrule rural areas.

Thinking along the lines of county electoral college for State level issues...

Get rid of really crappy democracy/majority rule.

Go back to Democratic Republic governance.

 

[AshWilliams]

It seems like the "Greater Idaho" movement is gaining traction. I recall years ago, talk about Eastern Washington and northern Idaho forming the state of Lincoln. Maybe Eastern Oregon and Eastern Washington should join and form a new state, since both areas are politically and economically similar, and so radically different from the coasts.

Although this would be a dream come true, there is absolutely no way in hell that this will come to pass and it's my personal opinion that the time and energy spent on this effort would be better allocated to more realistic goals, such as repealing clearly unconstitutional firearm laws or furthering conservative candidates campaigns to affect change.

Just my opinion.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Perhaps.

However if the new states constitutions were written correctly, urban population centers couldn't out vote / overrule rural areas.

Thinking along the lines of county electoral college for State level issues...

Get rid of really crappy democracy/majority rule.

Go back to Democratic Republic governance.

Blame SCOTUS for this in Reynolds v Sims

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_v._Sims

 

[Caveman Jim]

If you made a new state the Dems would take that over too.

Nope, close the borders to keep out the undesirables by any means necessary.

 

[sealine]

Still looking online at houses in Lewiston, Idaho.

Unfortunately, that's probably not far enough away. Cancer spreads. How long until Boise turns blue and decides the fate for the rest of Idaho? Depending on your age, you might factor that into your decision making.

 

[Koda]

The problem is if one is just now only waking up that " its personal " they woke up too late and your barking up the wrong tree. Society elects our representatives if you want to keep your rights you have to change society or that same society is only going to grow (and take over your new state or wherever you move to). If enough Democrats started supporting gun rights, their politicians would stop infringing on them.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Society elects our representatives if you want to keep your rights you have to change society or that same society is only going to grow (and take over your new state or wherever you move to). If enough Democrats started supporting gun rights, their politicians would stop infringing on them.

Indeed. The same can be said for Republicans; if enough voters would remind them that 2A is more important than religion, abortion, or "punishing" the other Party....

Edit. 2A is apparently not a top priority for the GOP, based on their platform planks and actions.

Just once Id like to see a Party be successful that respects all of the Constitution and not cherry pick certain things to be for and against

 

[Koda]

Indeed. The same can be said for Republicans; if enough voters would remind them that 2A is more important than religion, abortion, or "punishing" the other Party....

Edit. 2A is apparently not a top priority for the GOP, based on their platform planks and actions.

Just once Id like to see a Party be successful that respects all of the Constitution and not cherry pick certain things to be for and against

I dont know of any gun control policies Republicans actively and regularly pursue as part of their platfom.

Gun rights is a cultural ideology and for an ideology to thrive it has to be bipartisan. Typically liberals do not care about gun rights or they wouldnt elect or support their representatives that make gun control a main part of their platform.

 

[2ndtimer]

Unfortunately, that's probably not far enough away. Cancer spreads. How long until Boise turns blue and decides the fate for the rest of Idaho? Depending on your age, you might factor that into your decision making.

About to turn 70, so hopefully enough time to live free before I pass away. Also hoping that the majority of people moving into Idaho share the political views of Washington state refugees.

 

[CamoDeafie]

I dont know of any gun control policies Republicans actively and regularly pursue as part of their platfom.

Gun rights is a cultural ideology and for an ideology to thrive it has to be bipartisan. Typically liberals do not care about gun rights or they wouldnt elect or support their representatives that make gun control a main part of their platform.

Okay do you know of any major gun rights movement that is dominating the GOP platform? As opposed to say... Religion and abortion and "ending wokeness"? Just saying.

Picking Justices who seem to be in favor of 2A isn't enough. Letting freshmen/rookie Senators/Representatives propose pro2A bills and not actually leaning on the various Committees (Joint Committee on Taxation is a big one) to allow the pro2A bills to get out of committee isn't enough either.

Taking no public action or making no public statements to the importance of States respecting 2A and on the importance of District Courts to follow SCOTUS is not pro2A.


All these are merely "just not anti2A".

Refusal to hold hearings and censuring Federal employees for violating 18 USC 241-242 is not helping 2A at all.

Refusing to order the DOJ, FBI, State Dept, US Marshals to go after State officials under same 18 USC 241-242 charges is not helping 2A either.

 

[Koda]

Okay do you know of any major gun rights movement that is dominating the GOP platform? As opposed to say... Religion and abortion and "ending wokeness"? Just saying.

Should they be?
The GOP is never going to be a single issue platform thats true.
Most GOP politicians support gun rights, most Democrat politicians support gun control.
If anythings going to change the focus is on the Democrat side of things.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Should they be?
The GOP is never going to be a single issue platform thats true.
Most GOP politicians support gun rights, most Democrat politicians support gun control.
If anythings going to change the focus is on the Democrat side of things.

Most, nah. I'm going to say right now, a minority of the GOP politicians actually do actively support 2A. The majority are neutral on the matter (leave 2A and leave State gun laws alone), and a vocal few are against 2A, through their actions (helping pass anti2A things for example, killing the Hearing Protection Act over and over). Silence is not support, IMO.

 

[Koda]

Most, nah. I'm going to say right now, a minority of the GOP politicians actually do actively support 2A. The majority are neutral on the matter (leave 2A and leave State gun laws alone), and a vocal few are against 2A, through their actions (helping pass anti2A things for example, killing the Hearing Protection Act over and over). Silence is not support, IMO.

I just dont know of anytime where the party as a platform has campaigned on passing gun control.

 

[CamoDeafie]

I just dont know of anytime where the party as a platform has campaigned on passing gun control.

That's a red herring. Edit 2. That's the same as saying I don't know of any time where Democrats as a party has campaigned on repealing gun control laws

What I'm asking. Is..... Has the majority of the party in question actively campaigned, won, and actively worked to repeal gun control laws, reduce ATF overreach, supported Bruen/Heller/McDonald decisions, and gotten involved with holding hearings against Federal employees for violating citizens 2A rights?

Yes I'm aware that all that can be construed to a "purity spiral", and it may well be... I'm just saying that giving lip service to 2A and actually sitting on their hands every time a pro2A bill is proposed, and not leaning on the Joint Committee on Taxation to get certain bills out and onto the floors for a vote (Hearing Protection Act for example)....... Is not indicative of supporting 2A. Rather, it's indicative of being neutral on 2A. As in "well, yea, we'll try to keep anti2A bills from passing." And doing nothing significant to repeal State Gun control laws or getting involved and getting the word out that the other Party is proposing, and will pass gun control laws , put out ads warning people of that, put out campaigns to ensure these gun control laws won't get passed.. as opposed to just staying quiet and then acting only to vote against the bills and then whine about bills passing because people couldn't be bothered to be informed of the situations


Edit. If the GOP would put in even half the work that the Democrats do, in relation to 2A, maybe we wouldn't be in this situation where many gun owners don't know anything about gun control laws being passed.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Edit. If the GOP would put in even half the work that the Democrats do, in relation to 2A, maybe we wouldn't be in this situation where many gun owners don't know anything about gun control laws being passed.

But if they did that what would they fundraise on?

 

[Koda]

Edit. If the GOP would put in even half the work that the Democrats do, in relation to 2A, maybe we wouldn't be in this situation where many gun owners don't know anything about gun control laws being passed.

Well Trump has suggested national reciprocity.
I dont know which Republicans have pursued expanding gun rights but more states now have "constitutional carry" than ever, and Trump appointing the conservative majority in scotus certainly has been a major positive for gun rights.