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He did just fine up until the completely incorrect statement that if you have your own firearm serialized you are required to complete a 4473 BGC to have it returned to you.

Not cool!

At least the date is correct this time. A previous video on HB2005 stated the deadline was July 13th... and to my knowledge... never did go back and correct himself even after the mistake was brought to his attention. :s0155:
 
He did just fine up until the completely incorrect statement that if you have your own firearm serialized you are required to complete a 4473 BGC to have it returned to you.

Not cool!
Is he WRONG? Nobody really knows what the state intends, there is no explanation of IF one has to submit to a BGC and fill out a 4473!
 
Is he WRONG? Nobody really knows what the state intends, there is no explanation of IF one has to submit to a BGC and fill out a 4473!
Yes. He is wrong. Standard practice is that if something is not specifically required or stated as illegal within a law then it is considered not applicable and legal. Laws are never written to include everything that "isn't" required or deemed "legal" activity.

Alphabet regulations regarding serialization of PMF's have been in place for some time. FFL's have clear direction they are to be treated and recorded as a gunsmithing service and an BGC is not required to return a firearm to it's rightful owner. If another individual (other than the owner who submitted it for service) goes to pick it up, even if they are authorized to do so by the owner, then they "would" be required to submit a 4473 and pass a BGC.
 
Is he WRONG? Nobody really knows what the state intends, there is no explanation of IF one has to submit to a BGC and fill out a 4473!
If its not codified in law, its not required. You cannot be convicted of a crime that does not exist.
 
Hmmmmm . . . . maybe I should ask, or better yet . . . .
I don't want to go down the rabbit hole either, but we all know you can be charged with anything depending on if your actions are conservative biased. It happened here locally with the Strickland case, nationally with Rittenhouse. and I will let it go from there.

On point, the BGC isnt in the SB2005 law. William Kirk should know this. I like his channel and support his cause but it doesn't help when he says things he doesn't cite in the law. Its just simply not there.
 
I don't want to go down the rabbit hole either, but we all know you can be charged with anything depending on if your actions are conservative biased. It happened here locally with the Strickland case, nationally with Rittenhouse. and I will let it go from there.

On point, the BGC isnt in the SB2005 law. William Kirk should know this. I like his channel and support his cause but it doesn't help when he says things he doesn't cite in the law. Its just simply not there.
Nope, but it's not an uncommon claim floating around the internet. More exaggeration to inflame folks against the bill, I think. The practice of propagating misinformation for propaganda purposes is not absolutely exclusive to one side of the aisle... although one side certainly does abuse it as their SOP more than the other.

Some folks may genuinely just not be unware about the difference between an owner requesting gunsmithing services and what constitutes a firearm transfer, but I have no doubt some folks really do know the difference and are just taking advantage of other peoples naivete to enflame them against the law.

It's most definitely an unconstitutional law that people "should" be enflamed about, but I don't agree that our side should be resorting to such disingenuous tactics. In the long run, any level of dishonesty will eventually come back to bite us.
 
He lost me with his take on Form 1 suppressors back around Dec 2022
What I find more interesting is how many lawyer channels I find things I question or flat out disagree with, and even more interesting is how many lawyer channels disagree with each other. There's an important lesson on the legal system in that I suspect many don't see, especially those in the "concealed means concealed" group.
 
Nope, but it's not an uncommon claim floating around the internet. More exaggeration to inflame folks against the bill, I think. The practice of propagating misinformation for propaganda purposes is not absolutely exclusive to one side of the aisle... although one side certainly does abuse it as their SOP more than the other.

Some folks may genuinely just not be unware about the difference between an owner requesting gunsmithing services and what constitutes a firearm transfer, but I have no doubt some folks really do know the difference and are just taking advantage of other peoples naivete to enflame them against the law.

It's most definitely an unconstitutional law that people "should" be enflamed about, but I don't agree that our side should be resorting to such disingenuous tactics. In the long run, any level of dishonesty will eventually come back to bite us.
I hadnt considered that thought, its possible hes just somehow mistaken or assuming the check is needed. One side I do know is intentionally manipulative of the laws though.
 
He lost me with his take on Form 1 suppressors back around Dec 2022
No one is exempt from the occasional mistake, but yeah. He lost me as a subscriber with the whole July 13th thing. Making a mistake is one thing, but becoming aware of the error and allowing it to stand anyway is irresponsible and bad form, IMHO. Especially when you're talking about issues with potentially serious legal ramifications.

He did a great job when he was focused solely on WA, and later, OR issues, but between his day job and expanding his attention trying to cover all the national level issues I just wonder if it got to be too much to maintain a proper level of due diligence before slashing a video out(?)

Oh well 🤷‍♂️
 
Is it? Or is it maybe a lesson on the types of lawyers that have the time and inclination to develop a YouTube channel?
I cant judge their motivations. I'm thankful there are lawyers out there taking the time to provide content on the web, there's a lot to learn from them even if we don't agree with everything.

It was an eye opener for me when an anti gun friend of mine shared with me a very anti gun lawyers youtube channel on a gun control subject we were debating. Complete opposite legal perspectives. Now if that doesn't suggest a lesson on our legal system then one probably shouldn't step out the door with any gun.
 
It was an eye opener for me when an anti gun friend of mine shared with me a very anti gun lawyers youtube channel on a gun control subject we were debating. Complete opposite legal perspectives. Now if that doesn't suggest a lesson on our legal system then one probably shouldn't step out the door with any gun.
Yeah well. In a perfect world all lawyers would read the law and apply it impartially, but there are really two very clear types. Those that read the law and apply it impartially with little variation from their colleagues... and those that read the law and then figure out the best way to bend it, read into it different meanings and assign new and creative definitions, of which were never implicated in the text of the law, to try and fool people into believing it means what they want it to mean. :s0155:

In the "modern world", the whole "read it, follow it, if you don't like it, change it" doctrine has gone completely out the window. "Reasonable understanding", "consistency of law"... foreign concepts in this day and age where "reality is fluid" and "activism by any means necessary" principles prevail.
 
the judge dismissed on "common use" the problem is the argument should have been on serialization
I.E. until 68 no need "common use"
After 68 still "common use" for no ser number for PMF
sorry but the TRO was worded or fought wrong to begin with...
 

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