Oregon SB 114 Litigation In Person?

[command_liner]

Is it possible to go to the 114 litigation in person? I have been to several important 2A cases at the federal court house in San Francisco and thought it might be interesting to go to the Oct. 29, 2024 event here in Oregon. But I cannot figure out where it will be held. There are discussions about where it might be held, and notes about how far Harney is from Salem. But no info on where I might be able to watch the case in person, or what the "hybrid" approach to testimony/litigation actually entails. Can anybody provide any specific information? Thanks.

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[PiratePast40]

I'm assuming you're talking about Ballot Measure 114. Here's a link to the appeals court calendar. When you find Oct 29th, you'll see this case under Arnold V Kotek at 1:30pm. This is a hybrid hearing with the plaintiff being remote and the defendant being there is person. At the top of the page it has the link on how to monitor the case live. Oral arguments are only going to be about 15 minutes for each side, so it's probably not worth driving all the way to Salem to watch, when you can stream it live. You could always give them a call if you would like to observe in person but have no idea if they'll allow it.

I suspect there will be quite a few people watching the feed, but don't know if a high number of people logged in will affect their servers. Might want to log in early just in case.

 

[command_liner]

Thanks for the information.

Specific, actionable, searchable, detailed information on this case is remarkably difficult to find. The name
is Joseph Arnold, et al. v. Tina Kotek et al., (CC 22CV41008) (SC S069998) The only reference I find on the court's
search feature is

https://www.courts.oregon.gov/news/Lists/ArticleNews/Attachments/1818/9023fc25635e634fa888c1763bbb745d-02-09-23%20Opinion%20Media%20Release%20Final.pdf

The street location of the court is Oregon Supreme Court Building, 1163 State St, Salem, OR 97301
Searching in the table at the appeals court calendar shows exactly one entry

Oregon Judicial Department : Court of Appeals Calendar : Going to Court : State of Oregon

Court of Appeals Calendar

www.courts.oregon.gov

The time is 1:30, with the court closing at 5 PM. Based on past experience, you want to get there early, bring no
questionable items, and dress in a professional manner. Is anybody else considering going?

The state says The remote oral argument event begins 30 minutes prior to the start of oral arguments
So what does it mean to start at 1:30?

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Thanks for the information.

Specific, actionable, searchable, detailed information on this case is remarkably difficult to find. The name
is Joseph Arnold, et al. v. Tina Kotek et al., (CC 22CV41008) (SC S069998) The only reference I find on the court's
search feature is

https://www.courts.oregon.gov/news/Lists/ArticleNews/Attachments/1818/9023fc25635e634fa888c1763bbb745d-02-09-23%20Opinion%20Media%20Release%20Final.pdf

The street location of the court is Oregon Supreme Court Building, 1163 State St, Salem, OR 97301
Searching in the table at the appeals court calendar shows exactly one entry

Oregon Judicial Department : Court of Appeals Calendar : Going to Court : State of Oregon

Court of Appeals Calendar

www.courts.oregon.gov

The time is 1:30, with the court closing at 5 PM. Based on past experience, you want to get there early, bring no
questionable items, and dress in a professional manner. Is anybody else considering going?

The state says The remote oral argument event begins 30 minutes prior to the start of oral arguments
So what does it mean to start at 1:30?

Not sure what you mean by "actionable". Seems to me the only "actionable" thing you can do that has any effect is donate to the effort or encourage ffls or others to donate or spread the word to donate.

Too bad they aren't going in person. To me that seems like a big disadvantage but I don't know. Probably was hard to get the plaintiffs to travel all that way I would guess. State employees are paid to go vs plaintiffs have to stop their normal lives and also pay for expenses to go.

 

[command_liner]

By "actionable" I mean that the information lets me do something. A specific time, date and address, combined with case name and number makes it easy to show up at the event. Vague descriptions like "The 114 appeal" and "at the court" are not actionable and require further checking for details.

FAR too many "news stories" and "press releases" are devoid of the specific detail that makes further action impossible. In practice they are written this way to generate clicks. Such stories are written, in part, to waste the reader's time. There is a strong parallel here -- the state is just wasting the taxpayers' time and money in pursuit of obviously illegal anti-civil-rights actions by the governor and legislature.

 

[PiratePast40]

By "actionable" I mean that the information lets me do something. A specific time, date and address, combined with case name and number makes it easy to show up at the event. Vague descriptions like "The 114 appeal" and "at the court" are not actionable and require further checking for details.

FAR too many "news stories" and "press releases" are devoid of the specific detail that makes further action impossible. In practice they are written this way to generate clicks. Such stories are written, in part, to waste the reader's time. There is a strong parallel here -- the state is just wasting the taxpayers' time and money in pursuit of obviously illegal anti-civil-rights actions by the governor and legislature.

What do you expect to achieve by being at the courthouse vs watching remote to hear the judges ask both sides a few questions? It's only going to be a few minutes for each side.

@ilikegunspdx is right. It takes money to fight the battles. You can donate directly to Tony Aiello through his Give Send Go account. If you would like to make your donation tax deductible, you can designate how you want it spent through the Oregon Firearms Education Foundation.

The big thread here has a ton of information. Just remember that it's been going on for almost two years and a lot has happened in the mean time.

 

[command_liner]

Going to court I get to see people lie in person. Our elected officials are far too often psychopaths with dreams of sick destruction. I say this as an elected official (twice) no longer in office, but getting ready to be appointed by Kotek for a position.

Two years is nothing. I started getting involved before the Emerson Decision, and help send a few cases through to the Supreme Court. Hopefully you will see my boot print on the bubblegum end of the NFA, as it gets kicked into the garbage heap of bad ideas.

 

[dancinghippos]

Please donate to help this firm block 114.

GiveSendGo | Donate to State Court Lawsuit to STOP Ballot Measure 114

Donate to State Court Lawsuit to STOP Ballot Measure 114

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[PiratePast40]

Going to court I get to see people lie in person. Our elected officials are far too often psychopaths with dreams of sick destruction. I say this as an elected official (twice) no longer in office, but getting ready to be appointed by Kotek for a position.

Two years is nothing. I started getting involved before the Emerson Decision, and help send a few cases through to the Supreme Court. Hopefully you will see my boot print on the bubblegum end of the NFA, as it gets kicked into the garbage heap of bad ideas.

I agree that there is some satisfaction in watching and sat through most of the federal trial in person. Unfortunately, it's rather sickening watching how many people they parade into the courtroom, knowing that they are all being paid with our hard earned tax money to tell, what appears to be very well thought out lies. I get the impression that this is some sort of a game to them. From what I've seen, and this is my opinion, it doesn't appear that they care about the truth, only putting on a good show for the overseers. I'll watch from home if I can, but that will be after lots of pepto bismol, a few tums, and a barf bag handy.

Thanks for your efforts. It's a long, and most times, very unfair battle we're forced to fight. It's good to see some of the experienced fighters coming back in to help.