Washington Hb 1163 Washington

[Greshamreloadr]

Why the F are we paying the Center for Disease Control to research what is nowhere close to a disease. That is the epitome of absence of impartiallity!

A point has to be made that some of the cities are not reporting crime in the democrats run ones. They don't like to report it to the feds because of the statics it shows. So some of these are just red states or one that are more purple that would share stats with the feds. That's important. Chicago, New York and others have told the fed they no longer are sharing stats.

 

[Diamondback]

The other thing I'd do is, you serve your Armed Crime enhancement first, no possibility of parole, THEN your main sentence. ACE is also zero prosecutorial or judicial discretion, mandatory minimum at least five years.

 

[Alexx1401]

If the people in Washington would stop voting these people in we would be better off. I just surprised me how many times you speak to someone about gun laws. They act like it is the best way to keep crime down. Then you point out how many times these criminal get no jail time or free bail. But us in the community suffer. We get screwed trying to do the right thing.

This is because we are dealing with people who either do not vote at all. Saying it means nothing blah, blah. Others who vote for the people who are hosing us because they vote by "feelings". Those you almost can never reach. Feeling trump facts in their mind and they will not hear facts. Going to take a lot more pain to get the needle to move.

 

[Alexx1401]

A point has to be made that some of the cities are not reporting crime in the democrats run ones. They don't like to report it to the feds because of the statics it shows. So some of these are just red states or one that are more purple that would share stats with the feds. That's important. Chicago, New York and others have told the fed they no longer are sharing stats.

They do this to keep a lot of people who live there in the dark and it works. If the stats are not easily found its easy to gaslight the people living there. Tell them all is well and they keep voting you back in.

 

[Diamondback]

This is because we are dealing with people who either do not vote at all. Saying it means nothing blah, blah. Others who vote for the people who are hosing us because they vote by "feelings". Those you almost can never reach. Feeling trump facts in their mind and they will not hear facts. Going to take a lot more pain to get the needle to move.

And some are just completely unteachable no matter how much pain gets put upon them, like political Battered Wives that keep crawling back to their abusers.

That's not even getting into the Jonestown-level True Believer Cultists...

 

[Diamondback]

They do this to keep a lot of people who live there in the dark and it works. If the stats are not easily found its easy to gaslight the people living there. Tell them all is well and they keep voting you back in.

Somebody needs to send that to Trump, Bondi and DOGE: "No Reports = No Federal Funds."

 

[Alexx1401]

And some are just completely unteachable no matter how much pain gets put upon them, like political Battered Wives that keep crawling back to their abusers.

That's not even getting into the Jonestown-level True Believer Cultists...

YEP. They are living on feelings, not facts. So no matter what happens they go by feelings and keep voting the same thing.
What I keep hoping for is more pain will wake up more gun owners who sit out elections and or vote for the people hosing us. When they go to buy a gun and find out they need a FOID card maybe that will be a wake up call. Maybe not but it will be fun to watch the crying and screaming from those who had no idea it happened.

 

[Alexx1401]

Somebody needs to send that to Trump, Bondi and DOGE: "No Reports = No Federal Funds."

Now that would be nice. They would of course find some Fed Judge to block it but would be great to watch it play out.

 

[Diamondback]

YEP. They are living on feelings, not facts. So no matter what happens they go by feelings and keep voting the same thing.
What I keep hoping for is more pain will wake up more gun owners who sit out elections and or vote for the people hosing us. When they go to buy a gun and find out they need a FOID card maybe that will be a wake up call. Maybe not but it will be fun to watch the crying and screaming from those who had no idea it happened.

And then they'll go crying about how pointing out that we TOLD them so is "being divisive." (See sigline.)

 

[Alexx1401]

And then they'll go crying about how pointing out that we TOLD them so is "being divisive." (See sigline.)

Yep many of them can no longer be reached which is a shame. Ballot box or move are the only two choices though. Wife and I really like it here but, at some point moving may become the answer for us.

 

[RVTECH]

What I keep hoping for is more pain will wake up more gun owners who sit out elections

My experience is (with a lot of non voters) is gun rights are NOT a priority with their 'list' of reasons NOT to vote.

Oh, they may claim to be conservative, pro 2A etc. but the reality is guns are NOT much of a consideration with them.

Many are so reclusive, or out of the mainstream and guns are not a big priority in their lives. Sure, they may own a few, and see them as a 'last resort' but thats about it.

MANY of them have 'other' reasons for not voting - and some are pretty bizarre....

 

[sobo]

Yep many of them can no longer be reached which is a shame. Ballot box or move are the only two choices though. Wife and I really like it here but, at some point moving may become the answer for us.

I have reached the "Move" stage. The Nanny-Statism of this republik is mind-numbing. It's just a matter of finding the right property now. The search continues...

Illustrative point:
The GF just had to have her water softener replaced yesterday. When the plumber saw the huge water tank (80+ gallons, because she has a gargantuan bathtub for two in her master bath) in the utility room, he said that if she ever has to get a new tank, it could not be larger than 55 gallons, unless...

According to this plumbing company, which is a well-respected business in the Tri-Cities, the only way one can have a water tank larger than 55 gallons in Washington now is if they agree to have a monitoring device placed upon the tank. Said monitoring device sends your electricity power consumption data to the local electric utility and to either the City or the State (she doesn't remember which of the two the plumber said).

So now TPTB are limiting your water usage and/or spying into your usage habits in your own home. The thought of this is incredulous and unconscionable...

EDIT:
To remove references to gas-fired water heaters. Apparently, they are not subject to this böölscheet law (yet)...

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I have reached the "Move" stage. The Nanny-Statism of this republik is mind-numbing. It's just a matter of finding the right property now. The search continues...

Illustrative point:
The GF just had to have her water softener replaced yesterday. When the plumber saw the huge water tank (80+ gallons, because she has a gargantuan bathtub for two in her master bath) in the utility room, he said that if she ever has to get a new tank, it could not be larger than 55 gallons, unless...

According to this plumbing company, which is a well-respected business in the Tri-Cities, the only way one can have a water tank larger than 55 gallons in Washington now is if they agree to have a monitoring device placed upon the tank. Said monitoring device sends power consumption (gas or electric) data to the local power supplier (gas company or electric company) and to either the City or the State (she doesn't remember which of the two the plumber said).

So now TPTB are limiting your water usage and/or spying into your usage habits in your own home. The thought of this is incredulous and unconscionable...

Wow that's nuts! Communists! We have two 80 gal. We don't need that much hot water anymore though. I don't want electronic monitoring devices in my home. That's BS!

 

[sobo]

Wow that's nuts! Communists! We have two 80 gal. We don't need that much hot water anymore though. I don't want electronic monitoring devices in my home. That's BS!

Get this: It's under RCW 19.260.080, effective January 2021 (but not implemented until January 1, 2023 due to supply chain issues).

Googling:
Do you have to install a monitoring device on 80-gallon water heaters in Washington state?

Returns:
Yes, Washington State law (RCW 19.260.080) mandates that new electric storage tank water heaters, including 80-gallon models, must have a modular demand response communication port (CTA 2045-A Port Adapter) installed to allow utilities to monitor and potentially control their energy usage (emphasis added by me).

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Mandatory Requirement:
  Washington State law requires all new electric storage tank water heaters between 40 and 120 gallons, sold and installed in the state, to be equipped with a communication device.
  
  
• Communication Device:
  This device, known as a CTA 2045-A Port Adapter, allows utilities to "listen and talk" to the water heater, enabling them to receive and transmit information (more emphasis added by me).
  
  
• Utility Access:
  The utility can potentially use this information to participate in demand response programs, allowing them to alter or require the customer to alter electricity or water usage related to the water heater (even more emphasis added by me), but only with the customer's written consent (suuuuuuuure...).
  
  
• Effective Date:
  The law originally took effect on January 1, 2021, but the implementation of the communication device requirement was delayed to January 1, 2023, due to supply chain issues.
  
  And yes, there's more. I just made a short snip.
  
  

 

[Alexx1401]

I have reached the "Move" stage. The Nanny-Statism of this republik is mind-numbing. It's just a matter of finding the right property now. The search continues...

Illustrative point:
The GF just had to have her water softener replaced yesterday. When the plumber saw the huge water tank (80+ gallons, because she has a gargantuan bathtub for two in her master bath) in the utility room, he said that if she ever has to get a new tank, it could not be larger than 55 gallons, unless...

According to this plumbing company, which is a well-respected business in the Tri-Cities, the only way one can have a water tank larger than 55 gallons in Washington now is if they agree to have a monitoring device placed upon the tank. Said monitoring device sends your electricity power consumption data to the local electric utility and to either the City or the State (she doesn't remember which of the two the plumber said).

So now TPTB are limiting your water usage and/or spying into your usage habits in your own home. The thought of this is incredulous and unconscionable...

EDIT:
To remove references to gas-fired water heaters. Apparently, they are not subject to this böölscheet law (yet)...

Someone here mentioned this a bit ago. That all electric heaters now have to have a device so they can be shut off buy the powers that be. It of course raises the cost
What I would do if she ever needs a new one is have them put in the 55 and then just add another one inline with it. It would not be hard to do without a permit. Worst case if she ever went to sell she may have to have one taken out for the sale to go through but solves the issue. The state was going to cut of Nat Gas here and it got shot down this time but they will be back of course.

 

[sobo]

What I would do if she ever needs a new one is have them put in the 55 and then just add another one inline with it.

Neither one of us will still be a resident (read: peasant) in this Nanny-State by the time she needs a new water heater...

 

[Alexx1401]

Neither one of us will still be a resident (read: peasant) in this Nanny-State by the time she needs a new water heater...

I hear you there. One kid lives in ID and its VERY damn tempting.

 

[sobo]

I hear you there. One kid lives in ID and its VERY damn tempting.

That's where we will be within 2 years (max) from now.

 

[cd4337]

One of many planned laws

 

[Ducati_Meister]

If it weren't for family and job here, I'd leave this God forsaken state. It's gone off the deep end and as much as I hate to say it, it think it's a lost cause with the Democratic People's regime that run this place into the ground for so long. I vote and do what I can, but I think many would agree WA gun owners here are brow beaten by the one party rule.