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[User 1234]

Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality

www.cdc.gov

Oh look, the states with the most loose gun laws happen to have the highest rates of firearm mortality.

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This is based on data from 2022 and was pulled from this article.

Why does Idaho, with such high gun ownership rates and no gun control laws, have such low murder rates using firearms? Why does the District of Columbia have such high murder rates using firearms when it has strict gun control? New Mexico has various gun control laws and high rates of murder using firearms.

 

[matty206]

How long will it take for any LEO depts to develop the 'permit to purchase' program so people can even think about this - as a 'hoop to jump through'? (I'd guess a year or more MINIMUM)

And while this is taking place what do the FFLs do who's sales would now drop to essentially zero - and maybe only 'trickle back' in the future ?

And so eventually say a few Depts DO finally develop the program and it is only in a few parts of the state? How would those living a long distance away conveniently deal with this 'hoop to jump through'?

This has NOTHING to do with reducing guns in the hands of criminals or a reduction of 'victims'

It's ALL about reducing the presence of guns by reducing, dealers, FFls etc. to dramatically reduce the availability of guns with their (the antis) eventual hope it reduces interest and ownership of guns in the 'long run'.

Thats the thing, its all being handled by Washington State Patrol which has already developed and been using a system very similar to what is being proposed. Most of the working parts are in place and have been operating.

Your next two points are based on a false premise.

To say that is this has nothing to do with keeping guns out of criminal's hands is just a wilful display of ignorance. You are right about one thing though, the goal is to reduce firearms in circulation. Firearms that criminals can get their hands on.

 

[matty206]

Why does Idaho, with such high gun ownership rates and no gun control laws, have such low murder rates using firearms? Why does the District of Columbia have such high murder rates using firearms when it has strict gun control? New Mexico has various gun control laws and high rates of murder using firearms.

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There are other factors at play that affect how these things happen. This doesn't change the fact that the states with the most loose gun laws have the most gun deaths. DC is geographically located very close to all these states. Income inequality is also a driver of crime, which unfortunately DC has plenty of.

Many of New Mexico's laws are newer. They only passed background check requirements fairly recently in 2019. These things take time to have effect. While the rates have increased there, that doesn't mean the rate of increase couldn't have been even higher.

 

[21tango]

My guy, your insane deep state fantasties are literally occuring in the Trump administration right now. Elon Musk is ACTUALLY pulling strings behind the scenes like how people like you claim other billionaires do. Lets talk about how Fox News, owned by Rupert Murdoch, settled a lawsuit for almost a BILLION dollars that was because of the network's support of Tucker Carlson's lies about voting machines being rigged.

Cool man, the U.S. isn't Iraq. This country has a higher standard of living. We do things in this country to prevent people from killing each other. Nice cherry picking of a stat by the way. Single statistical outliers don't disprove what the rest of the vast majority of the data indicates. People like you love to ignore that there are other states in this country that have way more loose gun laws. You also love to ignore that people can just travel across state lines really easily. Guess what states are near DC? States like Missiisippi, South Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky. States with some of the most loose gun laws that on average have some of the highest firearm mortality in the country.

Not sure why you are on a pro gun website but it's obvious your opinion is not popular by any measure. I didn't cherry pick 1 i told you to look at the cities and not the states. DC Chicago Detriot……, i think where we disagree is that you trust Your government and I (like our founding fathers) don't. "The US is not Iraq" what you think we are somehow superior? Are we more intelligent? Are they not human? You sound very 1939 german ish…… if gun laws were for criminals they wouldn't inconvenience or restrict law abiding citizens. They would be specific and target the criminal element. And im not your "my guy"

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I did, too. Might not have been as polite as you, but I was factual, though...

It's a damn good thing that "Thought Bubbles " don't actually appear over my head , like they do in the comics....
'Cause I might be in trouble.....
Andy

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Something to consider here....

The US already has over 20,000 firearm laws.
If...
Laws , restrictions , requirements , bans , etc...were the answer...then we wouldn't be here where we are today.

If you want the same results...keep on doing as you have done.
In this case....make more laws , bans , restrictions , requirements etc...

If you want different results...you gotta do something different.
Andy

Edit to add...
The above is more or less what I stated in the Reply / Comment via the link in post #16.

 

[User 1234]

Tax-spend-ban-dictate has never been a recipe for success.

 

[AshWilliams]

Its not "imagined". Its based on data and statistics. You're wrong about how this effect occurs. It doesn't just randomly start doing things based on a bullbubblegum number you came up with. The effect starts when the law is passed and produces that effect over time. Literally nobody is disarming law abiding citizens.You follow this law, you get to have a gun.

Whats ridiculous is your dishonest engagement with how this law works. Your hypothetical is nowhere near equivalent to what this bill would do. We do deal with criminal behavior. I'm sorry that you can't deal with jumping through a few extra hoops so that other people won't be victimized.

So you support state legislature ursurping federal authority by enacting laws that are clearly in direct violation of the US constitution, because that's what this law is.

EDIT: I see from your profile pic you're in possession of a banned rifle and magazine by WA law. Do you support your state passing legislation for that as well?

 

[Alexx1401]

How long will it take for any LEO depts to develop the 'permit to purchase' program so people can even think about this - as a 'hoop to jump through'? (I'd guess a year or more MINIMUM)

And while this is taking place what do the FFLs do who's sales would now drop to essentially zero - and maybe only 'trickle back' in the future ?

And so eventually say a few Depts DO finally develop the program and it is only in a few parts of the state? How would those living a long distance away conveniently deal with this 'hoop to jump through'?

This has NOTHING to do with reducing guns in the hands of criminals or a reduction of 'victims'

It's ALL about reducing the presence of guns by reducing, dealers, FFls etc. to dramatically reduce the availability of guns with their (the antis) eventual hope it reduces interest and ownership of guns in the 'long run'.

You can not use logic or facts with people who base everything on how they feel. If it "feels" good it has to be good. Liberalism really is a mental disorder.

 

[sobo]

Liberalism really is a mental disorder.

We need to find a cure...

 

[Diamondback]

Tax-spend-ban-dictate has never been a recipe for success.

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Unless "success" is "grab ever more power, set up ever more lucrative grifts and expand the array of options to hang paper on Those You Deem Inconvenient."

Let me gently remind y'all...
One party has prohibition of private firearms as a core plank of its platform, the other does not.
One party ruthlessly enforces Party Discipline, the other does not. (And the party that does is again the Party of Prohibition.)
Ergo, a vote for a member of the Party of Prohibition is a vote to get more Prohibition. This SHOULDN'T be a partisan issue, but the hard reality is one party CHOSE to make it so. If we lived in SHOULDS Land, I SHOULD be able to buy a canned three-pin M4 down the street at my local Ace Hardware cash-n-carry and feral hominid predators SHOULD stay in cages until they are no longer dangers to society.

"Better to be divided by truth than united in lies."--Stomper

 

[Ducati_Meister]

I'd rather have true freedom than fake security as Mr. Noir said.

 

[Ducati_Meister]

If all these BS laws were about actual safety, they'd do things to empower the gun owners not just find onerous ways to restrict ownership knowing damn well it doesn't pass the Constitutional smell test.

 

[Jay Walk]

Nobody thinks firearms will disappear overnight when something like this passes. The purpose is to reduce the amount of guns flowing into dangerous/criminal individual's hands over time, leading to less firearms on the streets to be used in a crime. It doesn't matter if the criminal knows about the law. What matters is the upstream effect of this law being in place will necessarily lead to a lower chance of a firearm ending up in that criminal's hands.

So, guys with a "permit to purchase" will no longer leave firearms in their cars overnight?
That seems like a bit of a stretch.

 

[Diamondback]

If the idiots in power genuinely wanted to stop violent crime they would go after the ones who actually COMMIT it rather than harassing the rest of us.

Say, reinstating Hard Time For Armed Crime.

 

[Jay Walk]

If the idiots in power genuinely wanted to stop violent crime they would go after the ones who actually COMMIT it rather than harassing the rest of us.

Say, reinstating Hard Time For Armed Crime.

That's Raciss.

 

[Diamondback]

That's Raciss.

Race Card DECLINED, credit limit grossly exceeded.

 

[sobo]

That's Raciss.

 

[smcdougal63]

So Washington state passed hb 1163.A Completely unconstitutional bill. It's laws like these that make law abiding citizens into outlaws. I no longer take anything this state does seriously. Nor will i give up my constitutional rights to a corrupt government

Yes I agree making it harder for law abiding citizen to get guns but easier for criminals because they buy them illegally

 

[Greshamreloadr]

If the people in Washington would stop voting these people in we would be better off. I just surprised me how many times you speak to someone about gun laws. They act like it is the best way to keep crime down. Then you point out how many times these criminal get no jail time or free bail. But us in the community suffer. We get screwed trying to do the right thing.