Gun Control Vs Knife Control in Europe

[U8395279]

This attack on this high speed European Train has me baffled. Supposedly AK-47 ownership is banned throughout Europe. Yet, this Moroccan claims he found one lying in a local park, along with 9 30 round magazines. He also had a 9mm Luger Pistol, although he has yet to say where he found it.

Also strange is that instead of a knife, he only had a box cutter. Are there strict knife controls in Europe?? Why didn't he have a better knife? Is it easier to get an AK-47 in Europe than a good knife?

The attorney for the attacker says that he is totally baffled by the uproar over his crime. He told his attorney that he is just a poor, starving homeless man, suffering from malnutrition, who wanted to rob rich sme Europeans so that he could have money for food.

Can anyone make any sense out of this shooting incident? The Moroccan is now denying that he even fired any shots. He says that all he wanted was a good meal.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/24/europe/france-train-shooting/
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[mkwerx]

Attorneys lie. Its their job. We should have a worldwide purge of them every ten years or so.


Box cutters are the terrorist knife of choice too. Cheap sharp and can be bought anywhere.

Hopefully a French jury doesnt let the guy walk.

 

[Member 5605]

He will walk because he was assaulted by evil capitalist Americans.

 

[41Slinger]

He will walk because he was assaulted by evil capitalist Americans.

That's funny Dyjital, I was thinking the same thing, mean old American soldiers.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

What about the Luger? Makes you wonder how many functional war relics are hidden in the basements of Europeans. Must be a black market buy. ISIS probably provided the AK.
I hope the (LOL) journalists follow up on where the weapons came from.

As far as knives. The recent IKEA beheading in Sweden, the terrorist used a knife from the store to slash, kill and behead the middle aged woman.

 

[balaperdida]

IKEA's response? Stop selling knives in the store.

The MSM wails about the home-grown terrorists out of one side of its mouth, but demands total disarmament of civilians out the other side.

I'm content with being old, but I grieve for my grandchildren.

 

[Provincial]

What about the Luger? Makes you wonder how many functional war relics are hidden in the basements of Europeans. Must be a black market buy. ISIS probably provided the AK.
I hope the (LOL) journalists follow up on where the weapons came from.

As far as knives. The recent IKEA beheading in Sweden, the terrorist used a knife from the store to slash, kill and behead the middle aged woman.

I don't believe that the pistol was a Luger. I saw a photo of a pistol magazine with the AK mags and it was a double stack. No Luger is double stack. I suspect that the idiot journalist who all the rest are copying mistook 9mm "Luger caliber" for a Luger pistol.

Typical journalistic fool.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

I don't believe that the pistol was a Luger. I saw a photo of a pistol magazine with the AK mags and it was a double stack. No Luger is double stack. I suspect that the idiot journalist who all the rest are copying mistook 9mm "Luger caliber" for a Luger pistol.

Typical journalistic fool.

I think this is the pic you saw. Yeah the non AK mag looks pretty thick if it is what it looks like. I guess the other thing by the fancy right shoe is a cellphone?

 

[U201491]

What about the Luger? Makes you wonder how many functional war relics are hidden in the basements of Europeans. Must be a black market buy. ISIS probably provided the AK.
I hope the (LOL) journalists follow up on where the weapons came from.

As far as knives. The recent IKEA beheading in Sweden, the terrorist used a knife from the store to slash, kill and behead the middle aged woman.

Probably was shipped to him by Obama and Holder. They do that ya know ROFLOL. Fast and Furiously.

 

[Member 5605]

Because we all know knife control works too!

 

[Koda]

the antis often cite how gun violence is lower in other civilised countries that have strict gun control or prohibitions. I bet they dont tell and even hide just how big the black market is there for guns and other illegal weapons. When a shooting happens here in the US its all over the news as to where they got the weapons. I think the OP has a good question, where did the bad guy get the weapons?

 

[U201491]

In most of Europe it is more illegal to defend yourself than it is for the perps to assault or kill you.
They just can't allow someone to harm a poor underprivileged criminal.
It is a mental disease ya know.
Their entire political system there is a mental disease. And they want to infect the US with it and have.

But nobody cares anymore...

 

[etrain16]

In most of Europe it is more illegal to defend yourself than it is for the perps to assault or kill you.
They just can't allow someone to harm a poor underprivileged criminal.
It is a mental disease ya know.
Their entire political system there is a mental disease. And they want to infect the US with it and have.

But nobody cares anymore...

Some do. And some are starting to wake up. I'm seeing it in people I know. The crazy is being taken to far, and even some of the self-proclaimed "open minded" folks are realizing even they have limits.

 

[PrDubi]

Laws were changed in Hungary in self.defense....before you had to retreat before defending yourself.

 

[NSDQ]

most of the guns were obtained from Belgium. In fact most of the illegal firearms smuggled throughout the EU come from the leftover weapons from the Balkans and they find their way to countries like Belgium that looser restrictions than the rest of the EU. France is a really good example of how a high price of admission for access to firearms forces citizens to acquire weapons on the black market for self defense.

Affluent people live in safe neighborhoods which don't require the need for weapons yet they are the only ones that can afford them. While people that live in poorer areas cannot afford access to firearms yet criminals often acquire them on the black market.

Its quite strange having lived in Europe for almost 5 years in the US ARMY. I did learn that affluent socialized nations with high taxes have a lot less violence. Germany, Norway, and Denmark were eye openers in that having a lot less poverty resulted in a lot less petty crimes that reduced the instance for violence/murder. Also having free higher education resulted in a much better educated society that can compete on the global economy. Your average Norwegian/German is equipped with a much better education than your average American. Access to education = access to better quality of life and reduced poverty decreases crime. Less crime = less violence. 50 percent taxes results in services for rehabilitation and mental healthcare.

I have a lot more respect for socialized nations because their social/political attitude is more about the total community welfare as opposed to the individual. Especially coming from the military where we put the team over the individual. Something gets lost in total individuality in America where neighbors don't give a damn about each other.

 

[Heywood]

most of the guns were obtained from Belgium. In fact most of the illegal firearms smuggled throughout the EU come from the leftover weapons from the Balkans and they find their way to countries like Belgium that looser restrictions than the rest of the EU. France is a really good example of how a high price of admission for access to firearms forces citizens to acquire weapons on the black market for self defense.

Affluent people live in safe neighborhoods which don't require the need for weapons yet they are the only ones that can afford them. While people that live in poorer areas cannot afford access to firearms yet criminals often acquire them on the black market.

Its quite strange having lived in Europe for almost 5 years in the US ARMY. I did learn that affluent socialized nations with high taxes have a lot less violence. Germany, Norway, and Denmark were eye openers in that having a lot less poverty resulted in a lot less petty crimes that reduced the instance for violence/murder. Also having free higher education resulted in a much better educated society that can compete on the global economy. Your average Norwegian/German is equipped with a much better education than your average American. Access to education = access to better quality of life and reduced poverty decreases crime. Less crime = less violence. 50 percent taxes results in services for rehabilitation and mental healthcare.

I have a lot more respect for socialized nations because their social/political attitude is more about the total community welfare as opposed to the individual. Especially coming from the military where we put the team over the individual. Something gets lost in total individuality in America where neighbors don't give a damn about each other.

It is very easy to have respect for nations that for all intents and purposes are the 30year old son living in his parents basement collecting food stamps.
That is Europe. That is why we have to go their every couple decades or so to sort out their bubblegum, that is why you were there in the army. We foot the bill for 70%of their defense. And just like the adult living with his parents and on food stamps. If they can't completely take care of themselves they have not much to teach us.
They also are just getting a taste of our problem of importing a poverty class, generation after generation. Just go into the wrong neighborhood in France, Italy or the U.K. and you'll see what I mean. It is bad, and it is a relatively new occurance sowe'll see how their crime problem is after a while. Unfortunately, this is Something the left also likes to foment, then forget when comparing Europe to the U.S.
I have been to Europe, on my own, without the bennifit of an army base and it is not as pretty as people think.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

most of the guns were obtained from Belgium. In fact most of the illegal firearms smuggled throughout the EU come from the leftover weapons from the Balkans and they find their way to countries like Belgium that looser restrictions than the rest of the EU. France is a really good example of how a high price of admission for access to firearms forces citizens to acquire weapons on the black market for self defense.

Affluent people live in safe neighborhoods which don't require the need for weapons yet they are the only ones that can afford them. While people that live in poorer areas cannot afford access to firearms yet criminals often acquire them on the black market.

Its quite strange having lived in Europe for almost 5 years in the US ARMY. I did learn that affluent socialized nations with high taxes have a lot less violence. Germany, Norway, and Denmark were eye openers in that having a lot less poverty resulted in a lot less petty crimes that reduced the instance for violence/murder. Also having free higher education resulted in a much better educated society that can compete on the global economy. Your average Norwegian/German is equipped with a much better education than your average American. Access to education = access to better quality of life and reduced poverty decreases crime. Less crime = less violence. 50 percent taxes results in services for rehabilitation and mental healthcare.

I have a lot more respect for socialized nations because their social/political attitude is more about the total community welfare as opposed to the individual. Especially coming from the military where we put the team over the individual. Something gets lost in total individuality in America where neighbors don't give a damn about each other.

That's not the experience I had living, traveling, working as well as serving for years in Frankfurt and Wuppertal Germany.

Loads of petty crime, graffiti, public drunkenness, hard drug addicts, punks brandishing, using knives, fights on public transport, bums scrounging in garbage cans, skanky street hookers approaching you, the stench of urine in every public stairwell, alley and U-Bahn entrance.

London, Dublin, Amsterdam, Copenhagen about the same depending what part of town and what time of night. Not saying things are worse than any average big American City but certainly not any better!
And the papers often have headlines of people getting robbed, stabbed or murdered just like in the U.S..

Lived four years in Southern Sweden and spent many weekends in Copenhagen Denmark as well.
Have to give credit to the Swedes on keeping the Cities graffiti free and never saw as much trouble but there was a lot of racial tension against the huge influx of Muslim Refugees at the time. This was the late 80s and early 90s but I read all the time how things are much worse now.

The healthcare in my wife's home Country of Ireland and my experiences with the Swedish system are not all people would have you believe either. If people can afford it they pay for health insurance policies of their own.

At one time I was ready to settle down somewhere in Europe but I started getting fed up with it a long time ago.

 

[Stomper]

I was stationed in Heidelberg Germany... those "socialized" countries should give out free soap, and cut the cost of shower water.

That's all I got to say about that.

 

[PrDubi]

I live in Hungary part time and it ain't a pretty picture. Now everybody wants the free handout of socialism. Well over 1 million refugees are screaming across the EU borders.

 

[Member 5605]

I live in Hungary part time and it ain't a pretty picture. Now everybody wants the free handout of socialism. Well over 1 million refugees are screaming across the EU borders.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/0...sed-into-serbia-from-macedonia/?intcmp=hplnws

No way... really? Yup. Where are they heading? Hungary and they are building a fence....


Edit:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/0...ng-army-to-stop-flood-migrants/?intcmp=hplnws

Looks like Hungary isn't afraid to use their military to stop the flood either.