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[Member 24198]

Where can I check for sure? I was reading an article the other day that made it sound like we have to try to retreat from the threat rather than just shoot em.

Check the ORS. I haven't heard of this either; trust but verify.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Where can I check for sure? I was reading an article the other day that made it sound like we have to try to retreat from the threat rather than just shoot em.

 

[Member 24198]

Also, if you're in a cesspool like Potland, you're more likely to have a DA charge you than say in the state of Jefferson.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Sepuku is the only viable alternative.

 

[Member 24198]

Sepuku is the only viable alternative.

You could just move out of Potland.

 

[Certaindeaf]

You could just move out of Potland.

Or be able to hit your target.

 

[Member 24198]

Or be able to hit your target.

Then why would sepuky be the only option? Or are you referring to missing?

 

[Certaindeaf]

Then why would sepuky be the only option? Or are you referring to missing?

You'll figure it out.

 

[NeoBlackdog]

Where can I check for sure? I was reading an article the other day that made it sound like we have to try to retreat from the threat rather than just shoot em.

Google 'Castle Doctrine in Oregon'.

 

[OYSTERBOY]

Hello all,

New to me Glock has a POI that's 4-5" left of the POA at 15 yards. Anyone else dealt with this before? Barrel is centered in the slide, crown shows no perceptible damage, not sure where to look for the culprit but my ocd would appreciate being able to drift the rear sight back to the center.

Cheers!

Easy fix, if your Glock shoots to the left, Move your rear site to the right.

 

[NeoBlackdog]

Easy fix, if your Glock shoots to the left, Move your rear site to the right.

Oh come now, my good man! Nothing can be that simple!

 

[Koda]

Easy fix, if your Glock shoots to the left, Move your rear site to the right.

Except if its the shooters error and not the rear sight being off.

 

[Koda]

Where can I check for sure? I was reading an article the other day that made it sound like we have to try to retreat from the threat rather than just shoot em.

"You cant"....
I could be wrong but i dont think Oregon has a codified castle doctrine law, or a SYG/DTR law. That makes Oregon a "defacto" SYG state, meaning there is no law they can convict you on for not retrieting.
Or not leaving your house (castle).

Note, this doesnt mean its not a good idea to always try to retriet. It also doesnt mean you have a right to use deadly force just because someone is in your home. Oregon law states only if its from a forceable entry, so there better be evidence of that.

 

[orygun]

Except if its the shooters error and not the rear sight being off.

If the shooter is consistently "wrong" in his technique with this pistol, moving the sight will put the bullets where he wants them to go. My friend Frank consistently shot "f-ed up". He could hit the target well enough. When I would shoot his guns I would have to use Kentucky windage. He was really bad at pulling his shots to the left, but he did it exactly the same each time. We won't delve into his rifle shooting, right handed, left eyed...
Unless someone else is to shoot this gun it will not matter one bit.
I have no issue accepting that the shooter may be the problem, but I am all about results.

 

[Koda]

If the shooter is consistently "wrong" in his technique with this pistol, moving the sight will put the bullets where he wants them to go. My friend Frank consistently shot "f-ed up". He could hit the target well enough. When I would shoot his guns I would have to use Kentucky windage. He was really bad at pulling his shots to the left, but he did it exactly the same each time. We won't delve into his rifle shooting, right handed, left eyed...
Unless someone else is to shoot this gun it will not matter one bit.
I have no issue accepting that the shooter may be the problem, but I am all about results.

Thats fine as long as its a choice. A lot of people adjust the gun unaware their technique is off. For me I would hate to be limited to just my guns.

 

[orygun]

Thats fine as long as its a choice. A lot of people adjust the gun unaware their technique is off. For me I would hate to be limited to just my guns.

I get that. But if it's one gun, then it surely could be an issue with the gun and there are limited ways to make allowances. That is kind of the reason behind having adjustable, even if only for windage, sights.

 

[Koda]

I get that. But if it's one gun, then it surely could be an issue with the gun and there are limited ways to make allowances. That is kind of the reason behind having adjustable, even if only for windage, sights.

I always thought self defense pistols were non adjustable?
I could understand plus or minus .01" drifting the sight but the OP is off 4 inches.

 

[CentraloregonJ]

I get that. But if it's one gun, then it surely could be an issue with the gun and there are limited ways to make allowances. That is kind of the reason behind having adjustable, even if only for windage, sights.

It's just one gun with a problem. The 43, 43x, 17, 19x all do what they're supposed to do without drifting the sight, or holding for some Kentucky windage

 

[WillametteWill]

I don't want to hijack this longest thread ever on a gun shooting 4" to the left

But with respect to this:

I just found out that I have a duty to retreat in my own home. Inside my house. Does that mean I have to take a step back before I shoot the armed burglar?

Specifically, the google answer of you can shoot burglars, I know what the ORS says, but I would not recommend using this as a guideline. It could be extremely dangerous to one's freedom. Someone armed and invading my house while occupied is not a burglar, there are committing a violent felony that could result in my death or GBI. They are not after my TV.

For those unsure, I would highly recommend a source like Andrew Branca at lawofselfdefense.com. IMHO, two books everyone who either carries a gun or has one in their home for protection should read is his and Deadly Force by Massad Ayoob. For about $35, you will have a better understanding of the general principles of self defense, than the average bear...by far.

As for duty to retreat, past case law required this in Oregon, but since Sandoval in 2007, no. Also, inside your house is considered highly defensible property (you learn this stuff from Branca), supporting your defense of self and others (not property). You cannot defend property with deadly force.

Not legal advice, although I did hit 100 nights in Holiday Inns last year. This is important stuff, not as sexy as going to the range, but a must know for citizen defenders.

Now, back to fixing pistol issues.

 

[orygun]

I always thought self defense pistols were non adjustable?
I could understand plus or minus .01" drifting the sight but the OP is off 4 inches.

I'm not even going to try and delve into the math, but a 4" correction at 15yards, especially with a gun that has a short sight radius isn't a large adjustment.

Self defense revolvers often have the trough sight that isn't adjustable, but I only remember a couple of small autos that don't have at least a drift adjustable rear sight. AMT Backup 45 and the Colt Agent had only the trough as a sight. "Line up this ditch and aim it at your target". Honestly, the gun shouldn't have even had the ditch. An extra machining step that was worthless.

Back to the OP, I'd be more interested in seeing what would happen if he shot an identical gun rather than swapping all kinds of parts to see if it's a parts problem, or a shooter problem.

That's what I would like to see/hear about.