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I started in the pistol bays, test firing the BHP with new sear, trying some different ammo in a .38 Super and just enjoying a couple of other guns.

Next, I went to the 25 yard range (50 was full) to zero a new scope on a Rem. .22 bolt action rifle. This is a Rem. Model 582, tube magazine, beautiful wood for a factory stock. But it's been nothing but trouble since it came with Dave's stuff. First, the trigger mechanism was frozen up from decades of lack of use. So I put that aright through painstaking work, as the trigger assy. was never designed to be repaired, only replaced. Next I figured it was ready for the range with open sights. Wrong, the sights are mismatched so it prints on the target way low with no adjustment left. It came with a centerfire scope on it, with 1 inch rings that mount on the typical .22 receiver top dovetail. That scope is a 1970's Bushnell 3-7x. But the power adjustment ring is frozen solid. So I decided to get a rimfire replacement scope. I found one I liked on ebay, a used one about the same vintage as the rifle. I forgot about it and missed the auction. It sold on one bid at the starting price, $15. Anyway, I couldn't find anything else that I liked so on a whim I bought a new Chinese Tasco rimfire scope for $9.00. I thought, "how bad can it be for $9?" Well, bad. It took me a long time to get it mounted, something with the dovetail design seeming to be easy. The aluminum claws on the rings just didn't want to hold. I finally got it to stay on the rifle, but I thought, "Be easy with it; the scope might fall off." When I got to the range, I was 12 rounds into the zero process when it fell off. So back it goes. I've got another 1 inch centerfire scope I might try on it. The steel claws on the 1 in. rings don't have any problems holding tight. In the meantime, that 1960's Remington front sight is too tall. I think it came from the factory that way, but I can see that there is a dovetail in the top of the barrel at the muzzle for a sight that would drift in.

Made with the Monte Carlo style stock, the rifle was obviously intended to be scoped. It's rather uncomfortable trying to use the iron sights due to the stock design.

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But that isn't the funny story. Three men came down to my end of the rifle line. They were fellow congregants in a local church and one was the pastor. One of these guys was obviously a gun guy. The pastor was at sea with gun handling. The third man was older and having problems. He had a Rossi lever action rifle in .357 Magnum. He sat down at the bench and commenced loading the cartridges through the gate into the tube. In a little while, he was having problems. I saw him with a pocket knife, trying to free up a cartridge that was stuck in the lifter. About this time, a cease fire was being called. One of the RSO's was walking the line, checking chamber flags. He asked about the .357 rifle. The owner said he was having trouble with it; the RSO asked if he had the right ammo for it. The owner said, "Yes, it's a .357 Magnum." The RSO then said, "Well, you've got .357 Sig ammo."

Something else not funny happened to one of the guys in this group. I witnessed what I think was an unintentional discharge, but it's one of those deals where afterward you're not sure what you saw. The pastor in this group had what I believe was a Rem. Mod. 721 in .308 Win. He was having trouble with hard bolt closure using factory ammo. He was already having trouble getting on paper; he seemed not to know what to do with the scope adjustments. Guy no. 2, the knowledgeable one, was helping him intermittently.

I was firing my M1 Rifle in .30-06. I'd fire off 16 rounds, then leave the bench and let the barrel cool down. There are chairs and benches to sit on behind the line, so sometimes I sit there and observe. Which at this time I was doing, but not with any great attention being paid. The pastor was struggling with the bolt on his rifle. I was sitting there idly watching when the gun went off. I thought, "Did that really just happen?" He had the rifle butt against his upper belly, trying to close the bolt, and it went off. I think he had his finger on the trigger when he got the bolt closed. In any event, he hadn't been aiming to fire, and he confirmed what happened by ejecting a fired case. Oops. I wasn't watching closely enough to see what the muzzle elevation was when the gun discharged, but I'm guessing it wasn't aimed properly at the berm because the butt was placed lower than his shoulder.

At the range where I'm a member, we're getting into the hunter sight-in season. All the many people who handle a rifle once a year come out. The conflict is, you're having to be extra vigilant as to safety at a time when there are the most people around.
 
I have not seen .357 sig used as .357 mag ammo before. I have had people comment that they don't understand how .357 mag fits in my P226 after they ask what it shoots. Seems there are an awful lot of people who hear the first number and think that means its all the same cartridge. This is one of the reasons I don't like conflating "caliber" with "cartridge" but unfortunately that convention is so ubiquitous even I have a hard time avoiding it in my writing.
 
That 582 Remington deserves a decent scope.

I'd be on the lookout for a nice Bushnell Scopechief (7/8" tube). (70's-80's vintage)

The Cadillac for it would be a 3x-9x Leupold Compact Rimfire Extended Focus Range. (EFR)

That rifle is capable.

As to the Nimrods at the range, I treat such a location much as I would when I enter a bar (scan the crowd, make mental notes of anything or anybody that catches the eye). Both locations can and should be entirely safe. Both locations have potential for something to go south in a goddamned hurry.

...and I bought an Uberti .44-40 1866 carbine for $250 because "it wouldn't feed worth a damn", according to the seller. He included a box of shells:

.44 S&W Magnum! :eek:
 
You'd think that at a glance, the guy with the Rossi would've noticed the difference between a .357 Magnum and a .357 Sig. They don't look much alike.
 
You'd think that at a glance, the guy with the Rossi would've noticed the difference between a .357 Magnum and a .357 Sig. They don't look much alike.
I used to work with a guy that bought two cases of 50 round boxes of what he thought was 357 mag at a gun show. It was actually 357 Sig. I wound up buying them for $2.00 a box and buying him a pizza for lunch. They were some small fly by night manufacturer's product. They actually said 40 cal on the brass, but necked down to 9mm.
 
A friend bought a 642 airweight with a box of factory loaded 38 ammo. There were 45 left in the box. He got it cheap and the guy he bought it from said it hurt his hand, and then he had to drive the spent cases out.
When the friend got the gun home, he called me to see what was wrong with the gun. he had to push each round in [ they would not just drop in. ]
I said send me some pics of the ammo and box.
They turned out to be 38 Super not Special. I got most of a box of 38 Super, and he got a great deal on a 642!
 
Next, I went to the 25 yard range (50 was full) to zero a new scope on a Rem. .22 bolt action rifle. This is a Rem. Model 582, tube magazine, beautiful wood for a factory stock. But it's been nothing but trouble since it came with Dave's stuff. First, the trigger mechanism was frozen up from decades of lack of use. So I put that aright through painstaking work, as the trigger assy. was never designed to be repaired, only replaced. Next I figured it was ready for the range with open sights. Wrong, the sights are mismatched so it prints on the target way low with no adjustment left. It came with a centerfire scope on it, with 1 inch rings that mount on the typical .22 receiver top dovetail. That scope is a 1970's Bushnell 3-7x. But the power adjustment ring is frozen solid. So I decided to get a rimfire replacement scope. I found one I liked on ebay, a used one about the same vintage as the rifle. I forgot about it and missed the auction. It sold on one bid at the starting price, $15. Anyway, I couldn't find anything else that I liked so on a whim I bought a new Chinese Tasco rimfire scope for $9.00. I thought, "how bad can it be for $9?" Well, bad. It took me a long time to get it mounted, something with the dovetail design seeming to be easy. The aluminum claws on the rings just didn't want to hold. I finally got it to stay on the rifle, but I thought, "Be easy with it; the scope might fall off." When I got to the range, I was 12 rounds into the zero process when it fell off. So back it goes. I've got another 1 inch centerfire scope I might try on it. The steel claws on the 1 in. rings don't have any problems holding tight. In the meantime, that 1960's Remington front sight is too tall. I think it came from the factory that way, but I can see that there is a dovetail in the top of the barrel at the muzzle for a sight that would drift in.
I decided to look at the issue with the front sight again. The sight that came on the gun WAS NOT factory original. After taking it off, I can see that it was done some time later. At the factory, they would've used a jig of some kind to drill the holes. They would've slightly countersunk the holes. I knew the sight was a common one used in this era, oft seen on the Nylon series of .22 semi autos. And Rem. 572, plus others. But NOT on the 582.

Sight that's been on the gun. Note the the dovetail under the sight.
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Here is the sight I replaced it with, which if not Rem. factory type is very close:
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I had some left over filler screws. I didn't want to monkey around with countersinking at this time; maybe later.

In this picture, I've placed the previous sight next to the new one, you can see the difference in height which explains why the rifle was wildly out of zero:
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That 582 Remington deserves a decent scope.

I'd be on the lookout for a nice Bushnell Scopechief (7/8" tube). (70's-80's vintage)

The Cadillac for it would be a 3x-9x Leupold Compact Rimfire Extended Focus Range. (EFR)

That rifle is capable.

As to the Nimrods at the range, I treat such a location much as I would when I enter a bar (scan the crowd, make mental notes of anything or anybody that catches the eye). Both locations can and should be entirely safe. Both locations have potential for something to go south in a goddamned hurry.

...and I bought an Uberti .44-40 1866 carbine for $250 because "it wouldn't feed worth a damn", according to the seller. He included a box of shells:

.44 S&W Magnum! :eek:
You think that's bad.... I bought an electric pole-chainsaw off the local classifieds here... the "manly" lady even delivered it and said she (very pridefully in that deep husky voice that some "manly" women like to put on) was quite mechanically inclined but couldn't get it to cut anything. I looked at it, gave her the $25 she asked for (it cost $200 new) and she left. I took the chain off and put it back on in the proper direction and commenced to cutting off some tree limbs that I needed gone.... LOL!


Love that Dunning-Krueger Effect!


;)
 
I took the chain off and put it back on in the proper direction
I've got several chain saws here and I've actually done that myself a couple of times. You know, going through the routine of cleaning. My mind on other things, not paying attention. One time I caught it before I used the saw again; another time I only discovered the error when the saw wouldn't cut. But once discovered, it's hard not to figure out what's gone wrong.
 
I used to work with a guy that bought two cases of 50 round boxes of what he thought was 357 mag at a gun show. It was actually 357 Sig. I wound up buying them for $2.00 a box and buying him a pizza for lunch. They were some small fly by night manufacturer's product. They actually said 40 cal on the brass, but necked down to 9mm.
I have said this before, but I will never again buy third party reloads. Every box of reloaded 9mm I have by MiWall has had at least one (usually several more) cartridge in it that blew out the web.
 
Once bought a small Evinrude outboard at a flea market for $10.00. It didn't have any compression, but I could use the parts. I took it home, added fuel, tightened the spark plug and it ran great. :s0139:
 
I have a OLD 572 . I replaced the barrel from the auto version . The old barrel has the dovetail and the newer auto barrel has that newer two screw front sight. Was a real bear to find matching factory sights for both barrels. I feel your frustration.
 
Was a real bear to find matching factory sights for both barrels. I feel your frustration.
I already had some of the appropriate front sights, which I used one of. Now, I've got the swoopy 1960's front sight left over. Which I see on ebay bring good money.
 
I forgot to mention about the guy who experienced the unintentional discharge. Before he left the range, he had a big bruise over his right eye from the objective end of the scope hitting him in the face.

Many years ago, I remember seeing a teenager there with his dad. Dad was letting junior fire the big stuff that day. When they left, the boy had a big, red crescent ring stamped into his forehead over his right eye. I mean cut, not just a bruise. Might've left some scarring after. I wondered what mom was going to say when they got home.
 
I forgot to mention about the guy who experienced the unintentional discharge. Before he left the range, he had a big bruise over his right eye from the objective end of the scope hitting him in the face.

Many years ago, I remember seeing a teenager there with his dad. Dad was letting junior fire the big stuff that day. When they left, the boy had a big, red crescent ring stamped into his forehead over his right eye. I mean cut, not just a bruise. Might've left some scarring after. I wondered what mom was going to say when they got home.
I have a scar like that. I was maybe 13 or 14, shooting my grandfather's old Rem 740 with a weaver scope. I snugged up just a tad bit to tight and it barely touched my eyebrow. I felt in on the hairs but thought I had gotten away with it. My friends informed me otherwise and said I was bleeding profusely from a perfect crescent shaped cut. It got into my eye shortly after that. Scope was sharp enough to cut the skin without even touching the bone. It probably would have hurt a whole lot if I had been even an eighth of an inch closer. As it was it stung a little bit, and the blood got everywhere, but other than that I could barely feel it. Fortunately you can't actually see the scar unless you fluff around my eyebrow, but it is still there to this day.
 
That 582 Remington deserves a decent scope.

I'd be on the lookout for a nice Bushnell Scopechief (7/8" tube). (70's-80's vintage)

The Cadillac for it would be a 3x-9x Leupold Compact Rimfire Extended Focus Range. (EFR)

That rifle is capable.

As to the Nimrods at the range, I treat such a location much as I would when I enter a bar (scan the crowd, make mental notes of anything or anybody that catches the eye). Both locations can and should be entirely safe. Both locations have potential for something to go south in a goddamned hurry.

...and I bought an Uberti .44-40 1866 carbine for $250 because "it wouldn't feed worth a damn", according to the seller. He included a box of shells:

.44 S&W Magnum! :eek:
Score!
 

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