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Discussion in 'NFA Weapon Discussion' started by sigman, Dec 13, 2009.

  1. sigman

    sigman Olympia, Wa Member

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    I am building a custom Mega Machine lower and have a question. The lower is marked for full auto. Full auto is legal to own in Washington State but not to shot. My question is can I use a FA selector swith in my SA gun legally? And whould it work? I want the apperance of FA with out the hassle. Thank you in advance.
     
  2. NorthernBornRebel

    NorthernBornRebel Keizer Member

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    No. It is marked with full auto markings for the CDI factor. That's it. If it was a registered machine gun receiver prior to May of 1986, then you could make it full auto. Since it was made more recently than that, you're stuck with semi auto.
     
  3. JAFO

    JAFO OR, USA Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    I believe you are confusing suppressors with full auto. You can legally get approval and a tax stamp to own a suppressor. You cannot use it legally in WA. You cannot own a full auto as a civilian non-dealer/mfg unless you legally owned it, and it was registered, before they were banned in WA (1994 I think?).

    Any parts made exclusively for a machine gun are contraband and you cannot own them. This would include a full auto or select fire selector.

     
  4. coctailer

    coctailer Portland, OR/Hastings, MI/Vancouver,WA I run with scissors.

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    Got a picture?

    Mega probably didn't mark the lower "Auto".
    Someone else did.
     
  5. bnr32gtr

    bnr32gtr Vancouver, WA Member

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    My friends and Blackwell Industries had Mega make them up some lowers this year with the HK pictogram markings. This may be what the OP has.

    To the OP, stick with the pictures or markings on the lower and call it good. Anything else, and you could be setting yourself up for trouble. I also suggest reading as much info as you can get your hands on from the BATFE and the state of Washington's website. Being up on the laws will help prevent time in the pen with Bubba. :thumbup:
     
  6. TonsOfOregonBrass

    TonsOfOregonBrass Sandy, OR Active Member

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    +1

    Bubba doesn't play nice with your butt in the pen.
     
  7. sigman

    sigman Olympia, Wa Member

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    The lower is a custom set up for a Zombie group. It is marked Safe, Undead, and Outbreak. I was wondering if I could put a slector switch in it that would allow it to go to the Undead position and still fire semi?
     
  8. bmgm37

    bmgm37 Coos Bay Active Member

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    Not unless you modified a semi one to rotate further. BATF doesnt like you to have even one full auto part in the trigger group :paranoid:
     
  9. TonsOfOregonBrass

    TonsOfOregonBrass Sandy, OR Active Member

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    I wouldn't recommend making it so you can even put it in the position. I am willing to bet the ATF will frown on it. it may not be illegal, i would check though, but is it worth the hassle you will get eventually.
     
  10. sigman

    sigman Olympia, Wa Member

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    I figured where I am going to use antiwalk pins. The look of FA would be kewl.
     
  11. chase

    chase Wilsonville, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I don't have any laws backing me up, but if you check out the HK rifles they allow you to switch between safe, semi, and auto (SEF) but they only shoot semi. Since the gun cannot shoot multiple rounds with one squeeze of the trigger, I would think it would be OK, just my $0.02.
     
  12. bnr32gtr

    bnr32gtr Vancouver, WA Member

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    There are people who sell M16 safeties that have had the tine removed. This will still move to the full portion but will do nothing but look "cool". This is probably what you should find. They are all over AR15.com

    Personally, I say just stick with the markings on the lower and keep it simple.
     
  13. TonsOfOregonBrass

    TonsOfOregonBrass Sandy, OR Active Member

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    Lots of police do not know the laws. You can easily find an office who does not know the laws and you could wind up in jail. the charges will not stick, but do you want to deal with the hassle and headache to look cool.
     
  14. ORBrit

    ORBrit Eugene Member

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    and you can guarantee that they will confiscate your rifle for thorough inspection and who knows if and when you'd get it back.

    Why bother for something that "looks cool". It isn't going to impress anyone who actually knows weapons.
     
  15. bnr32gtr

    bnr32gtr Vancouver, WA Member

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    I agree with this. Although I understand the CDI factor, chicks do not dig(well, not good ones anyhow) guys in jail. Contrary to what they swear, they will not wait for you while you're serving your time. I don't know this from personal experience, just what friends have told me. :paranoid:
     
  16. Outrider

    Outrider Oregon Active Member

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    The basic idea is you should be very careful about treading into territory where it could look like you're trying to make a select fire weapon. There's an issue about intent where the you could be setting yourself up for trouble. To you it's a cool, fun thing. To law enforcement, the prosecutor, the judge, and the jury it may look like you're one step closer to a full auto gun that you are prohibited from owning.

    Personally, I don't see the appeal of a switch that goes to full auto and does nothing. It's like a fake suppressor with government property markings. If you get stopped, it will confuse the average officer and there's not a lot of cool factor in "Wow, that doesn't work!"
     
  17. ORBrit

    ORBrit Eugene Member

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    Reminds me of a friend who posted pictures on his Facebook page of him with his new GSG-5PK, complete with folding stock and vertical grip.

    I commented on the picture "Nice SBR! Did you go individual or living trust?"
    and he replied "huh?"

    I sent him a private message strongly encouraging to take the picture down, and return his pistol to stock, and told him about the laws governing short barreled rifles and other NFA restricted weapons.

    I don't think the ATF would accept ignorance of the law as a valid excuse.
     
  18. TonsOfOregonBrass

    TonsOfOregonBrass Sandy, OR Active Member

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    That is a bad response to that question. And providing proof of doing it is pretty stupid.
     
  19. sigman

    sigman Olympia, Wa Member

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    Thanks guys. I guess I will just keep my gun boring.
     
  20. bnr32gtr

    bnr32gtr Vancouver, WA Member

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    Now don't say that! We just don't want to lose a member to something preventable. The chances are that nothing would ever happen but, with today's age of digital pictures and instant info, you might just catch the wrong person on the wrong day and end up in trouble.

    Besides, how is your gun boring if it does exactly what it was designed to do, but the selector doesn't make a meaningless 90* rotation?