I went out to a clear cut on Friday with a young guy who purchased a AR 15 from me a few years ago. First we practiced some carry hand guns then plinked with AR 15's a bit at 70 yards. Next we set up a paper target and shot with my CZ 455 Precision Varmint at 145 yards. Lots of wind and mirage at 20 power but we got some good hits. Then we set up a gong at 275 and shot at a steep downward angle. We used my Daniel Defense since it has a 5x scope on it at the moment. It didn't require any hold off for wind at all and was easy to hit. So the young guy, who has been a horrible shot says, " I'm gonna try the jug". I left a half gallon, water filled jug down there. He center punched it. Next we picked a football sized rock at 445 yards. I pop off a few and find the hold. After giving the dope he hit it on his first try !