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Exec Orders and Gun Control

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Jerry, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. Jerry

    Jerry Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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  2. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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  3. skydiver

    skydiver Sandy,OR Well-Known Member

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    Executive Orders...isn't that what dictators do?
     
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  4. Greenbug

    Greenbug Bend Well-Known Member

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    If it is unconstitutional then it is not a law, regardless of who ordered it.
     
  5. RICKRWS

    RICKRWS VANCOUVER Active Member

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    So how are we ever going to get Obama out of office. This guy is bad news - fake birth cerifcate, American killed by terriosit then let them go free?
    I mean there has been alot really bad things this guy has done. So what are we suppose to do?
     
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  6. coyote223

    coyote223 NW Oregon Stamp Collector,,,

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    [video=youtube;6K3KN9K-KkQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K3KN9K-KkQ[/video]
     
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  7. Modeler

    Modeler Molalla, Oregon Soccer Fan

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    My money is on an importation ban. Glocks, AK's, Taurus, Philippine 1911's, Russian and S&B ammo, all prohibited from entering our shores.
     
  8. Greenbug

    Greenbug Bend Well-Known Member

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    The turd will only float in the bowl so long until somebody flushes it. In this case we need to have at least 51% of the people to realize what is creating the stink in this country. I've given up on an outbreak of "common sense" happening, maybe enough people will just get tired of the liberal BS and call a housekeeper to fumigate and sanitize the crapper that we are all living in.
     
  9. WhyteCheddar

    WhyteCheddar East of Moscow by the Willamette Well-Known Member

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    My money is on him trying to get away with every single thing he thinks he an get away with. Including confiscation.
     
  10. SG85

    SG85 503 Member

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    Realistically they can not and will not "take our guns". The US just has TOO MANY to take all of them, and with the way the laws are now there is no way to accurately ensure they are all gone. They can try to limit and eliminate production and importation of types of firearms. I would bet if anything happens it will be something that they can gauge their "win" on, new rules and procedure on getting guns, background checks, HiCap mags and importation and possibly a renewed and revised AWB.
     
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  11. jfw

    jfw Clackamas county Active Member

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    Agreed^^
     
  12. salmonriverjohn

    salmonriverjohn N.W Oregon coast, Gods country Well-Known Member

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    You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.
    Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.
    At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.

    With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun.
    You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it.

    In the darkness, you make out two shadows. One holds something that looks like a crowbar.
    When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire.

    The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside.

    As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.
    In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless.. Yours was never registered.

    Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.

    When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

    "What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask. "Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing. "Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

    The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper.

    Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them..
    Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times.

    But the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."
    The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters..
    As the days wear on, the story takes wings.

    The national media picks it up, then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

    Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win.

    The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects.

    After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time.
    The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

    A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.

    When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you..
    Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges. The judge sentences you to life in prison. This case really happened.

    On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second.

    In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term..
    How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire?

    It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.

    This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license.
    The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns..

    Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

    Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw. When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

    The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions.
    (The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

    Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland ,
    Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

    For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals.
    Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.
    Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.
    The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearms still owned by private citizens.

    During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism.
    Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun.
    Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

    Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
    "We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

    All of Martin's neighbors
    had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences.
    Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

    When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local authorities.

    Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply.
    Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

    How did the authorities know who had handguns?
    The guns had been registered and licensed.
    Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?
     
  13. loosearrow88

    loosearrow88 salem, oregon New Member

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    now that's the scary truth!!! and you still here people say it will never happen. that just shows it did.
     
  14. n16ht5

    n16ht5 Seattle Active Member

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    Unless we stand together and tell them NO.
     
  15. Partsproduction

    Partsproduction Tillamook Oregon Active Member

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    Read up about Echelon. Too late I suspect, we may all be in re-education camps soon. If we stood up all together, fast, and soon, maybe we could change it.

    "Some are whigs, liberals, democrats, call them what you please. Others are tories, serviles, aristocrats, &c. The latter fear the people, and wish to transfer all power to the higher classes of society; the former consider the people as the safest depository of power in the last resort; they cherish them therefore, and wish to leave in them all the powers to the exercise of which they are competent." Thomas Jefferson in letter to William Short.
     
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    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Another crazy thread on Executive Orders ? We need more of these!
     
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  17. 4Freedom

    4Freedom Boise, Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, just like we use to have crazy threads on how Obama would try to introduce an AWB.. aahaha, like that would ever happen.. Oh Wait! It Is Happening!
     
  18. Hunt22

    Hunt22 Battle Ground New Member

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    He is also sworn to uphold the constitution and failure to do so is impeachable!
     
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  19. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Well, if you think the president violated the Constitution in any way, maybe you could write to your senator to request the impeachment ?
     
  20. Hunt22

    Hunt22 Battle Ground New Member

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    Already have! All you get back is a generic response!