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E-mails reveal Ceasefire wish list

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Dave Workman, Oct 8, 2013.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  2. 8ball

    8ball WA Quit talkin' and start chalking!

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    Nice find, Dave!
     
  3. 2Wheels4Ever

    2Wheels4Ever Portland Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer

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    Not surprising in the least bit. What did you expect a bunch of idiots who hate guns would be talking about?
     
  4. 2506

    2506 Seattle Well-Known Member

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    Hey can anyone explain to me what 'Preemption' is? Type slowly please, as I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
     
  5. GunnyG

    GunnyG The Highlands Active Member

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    "RCW 9.41.290
    State preemption.

    The state of Washington hereby fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the state, including the registration, licensing, possession, purchase, sale, acquisition, transfer, discharge, and transportation of firearms, or any other element relating to firearms or parts thereof, including ammunition and reloader components. Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities may enact only those laws and ordinances relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by state law, as in RCW 9.41.300, and are consistent with this chapter. Such local ordinances shall have the same penalty as provided for by state law. Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with, more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality.
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    When Seattle wants to ban something like legally carrying in parks, or concealed carry in general, or semiauto rifles because they might look like a military issue rifle, and so on, etc., they can't, because of this law. BTW, the City of Seattle has sued the state to get this law stricken.

    Local News | NRA, others take aim at gun ban in Seattle parks | Seattle Times Newspaper

    McGinn pushes for gun-free businesses - Strange Bedfellows ? Politics News

    Allowing cities to once again write their own rules could be 493 different sets of rules on what is legal to own, as well as how and where you may carry it.
     
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    2506 Seattle Well-Known Member

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    Got it. Thank you, Gunny.
     
  7. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Ever think about a recall up in WA ??
     
  8. simon99

    simon99 Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    That figures, while all the elite despotic city officials hail from West Seattle, Bainbridge, Bellevue and all the other nice areas of low crime suburbia, the rest of Seattle has to suffer with gang, drug and all sorts of other violence due to their idiotic feel-good gestapo gun laws. One of the reasons I moved out of that place....
     
  9. GunnyG

    GunnyG The Highlands Active Member

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    Mayor "McSchwinn" is up for reelection on Nov 5th.

    Sadly, the only viable alternative is State Sen. Murray, who either wrote or rubberstamped a 4th amendment (annual illegal household search for AW owners) violation into an AW ban bill in Olympia, last spring.

    :-/
     
  10. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    And didn't they lose each time or is this a new attempt at an end run around the law?

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  11. GunnyG

    GunnyG The Highlands Active Member

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    Two mayors, same lawsuit:

    "Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels in 2008 ignored state law and the advice of the state’s attorney general and created so-called “gun-free” zones in public recreational facilities within the city. These restrictions applied to all lawful carry, including by those with a state-issued concealed carry license. A state court, however, soundly rejected Seattle’s theory that the state’s comprehensive firearms preemption law did not apply because the ban only affected city owned or controlled property. As the trial judge noted in her opinion, “If I were to accept the City’s argument … [n]othing would prevent the City from preventing people from being on the street with their firearms, being on the waterway with their firearms, being on any part of a park with their firearms, or being in any other place that the City of Seattle has control over.”

    Nickels’s successor, Mike McGinn, nevertheless took up the cause with an appeal, but the trial court’s ruling was affirmed, and the state’s highest court later refused to hear the case [http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2017703405_gunban09m.html].

    Despite this series of defeats (or perhaps because of them) Mayor McGinn remains committed to the vision of a defenseless Seattle. The mayor is now teaming up with a local gun control organization to establish new “gun free zones” in the city’s private businesses. Businesses are being provided with stickers, designed at the expense of the gun control group, and encouraged to post them to warn visitors that those in possession of firearms will be considered trespassers.

    http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2013/8/seattle-mayor-recruits-local-businesses-to-carry-on-failed-gun-ban-effort.aspx"
     
  12. tiggers97

    tiggers97 United States Well-Known Member

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    I would probably also add to the "wish list" HB 3200 (?), the "assault weapon ban" bill that Ceasefire helped draft at the beginning of the year. Lot's of good (bad) stuff in there.
     
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    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    I believe the WA SB 5737 was nearly identical to OR HB 3200. Different state and different local Ceasefire but I believe the two local chapters are similar. I know the OR chapter supported the bill here and can't see why the WA one wouldn't have supported that road apple. The sponsors of each of those bills deserve at least a public flogging.
     
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    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    And therein lies another problem: just posting the signs means nothing, They have to actually know your carrying, then they have to ask you to leave. Only if you refuse can they charge you with trespassing. But they are trying to say that the sign replaces the asking you to leave and can immediately arrest you. That's going to have to go to the State Supreme Court too.
     
  15. GunnyG

    GunnyG The Highlands Active Member

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    Agreed. And anywhere else in the state that is posted private property, you'd have to be issued a "no trespass" order and subsequently violate that order, before they could arrest you for violating the terms of that court order.