Drone Killer Cartridges

[Lazyfaire]

Seems the military has developed new cartridges to defeat drones on the battlefield.

Don't get excited, could not find anything that said it would be available to us common folk!

(And no, I do not get the Amer Rifleman)

https://www.americanrifleman.org/co...iller-rifle-cartridges/?utm_source=newsletter

Lazyfaire

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[ilikegunspdx]

Raytheon now has a missile that's a flying emp. Basically they just shoot it near a swarm of incoming drones and it fries their brains. Not in production though yet as far as I know but there is video of it in testing. Pretty impressive.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Neat idea.

However....

It would not be a neat idea to get the ammo mixed up.
The need to switch ammo to engage different targets can be :
Time consuming....especially when seconds can make a difference....
Life altering....while I wouldn't want to get hit with any of those rounds...
I do wonder how effective they are at various ranges against a human target...
Perhaps one with body armor.

I wonder just how effective the old "Beehive " M203 round would be against a drone...?
I guess that would depend on the distance and type of drone.

Andy

 

[Lazyfaire]

These cartridges will go to special ops and be a heck of a lot less expensive than a missile. But interesting nonetheless

 

[DirectDrive]

A rifle round ?
I don't see it working very well.
The Russians know a little about defending against FPV drones and they can be seen carry shotguns now.
I don't know what shot size would be ideal, probably somewhere around .18 or .20 caliber.
#4 Buck I think would have too sparse of a pattern for long shots.
Range ? 60 yards, maybe a little more. And be quick about it.
Hunting ducks that shoot back.
Silk scarves might be making a comeback.

 

[Nosferatu]

View: https://youtu.be/aMVMsHJAZ1s?t=52

 

[elsie]

How about an M50A1 "Ontos" with beehive rounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M50_Ontos

The Ontos also carried beehive rounds. Each round contained 9,600 flechettes, 2-inch steel darts with stabilizing fins that spread in a cone when fired. The darts made a terrifyingly distinctive buzzing sound as they shredded everything in their path.

https://www.military.com/daily-news...rps-tank-hunter-helped-win-battle-of-hue.html

elsie

 

[Stomper]

Aimed, opened up microwave ovens with the door safety switch disabled are the answer....

 

[NeoBlackdog]

Aimed, opened up microwave ovens with the door safety switch disabled are the answer....

You jest, but check this out.

Epirus - Home of Leonidas, the Premier High-Power Microwave cUAS Swarm Solution

Epirus combines the latest in directed energy, long-pulse high-power microwaves (HPM), AI, and advanced electronics for unmatched electronic warfare effects. The Leonidas family of HPM systems by Epirus are the most effective non-kinetic cUAS and counter swarm solution on the market.

www.epirusinc.com

 

[Stomper]

You jest, but check this out.

Epirus - Home of Leonidas, the Premier High-Power Microwave cUAS Swarm Solution

Epirus combines the latest in directed energy, long-pulse high-power microwaves (HPM), AI, and advanced electronics for unmatched electronic warfare effects. The Leonidas family of HPM systems by Epirus are the most effective non-kinetic cUAS and counter swarm solution on the market.

www.epirusinc.com

You think I jest, huh?


How do you think I took out my neighbor's WiFi cameras that were aimed at my house?






Just kidding!

 

[nehalemguy]

Just kidding!

................are you? Inquiring minds need to know.

 

[nehalemguy]

Remington used to produce shotgun shells called "Duplex" loads. They were simply two shot sizes loaded in sequence in the hull. #4 or #6 shot stacked on #2 shot for example. Remington labeled them as "2 x 6" and "2 x 4" loads.

After seeing that, I tried loading a #6 shot with #2 buckshot as a close in coyote killer. They worked pretty well. I called them my "duck and peasant" loads.

Maybe I should revisit that loading and submit for a fat military contract.

-E-

 

[Unka-Boo]

Neat idea.

However....

It would not be a neat idea to get the ammo mixed up.
The need to switch ammo to engage different targets can be :
Time consuming....especially when seconds can make a difference....
Life altering....while I wouldn't want to get hit with any of those rounds...
I do wonder how effective they are at various ranges against a human target...
Perhaps one with body armor.

I wonder just how effective the old "Beehive " M203 round would be against a drone...?
I guess that would depend on the distance and type of drone.

Andy

15-Round .22LR Reloadable Beehive Round for 37mm/40mm Launchers

The AU Beehive holds fifteen .22 LR rimfire rounds that fire simultaneously from your 37mm or 40mm launcher with the use of one large pistol primer. The Beehive is reusable and is reloaded by hand. Built to last, the Beehive is manufactured from aerospace grade aluminum with a hard coat anodize...

armsunlimited.com

 

[NeoBlackdog]

15-Round .22LR Reloadable Beehive Round for 37mm/40mm Launchers

The AU Beehive holds fifteen .22 LR rimfire rounds that fire simultaneously from your 37mm or 40mm launcher with the use of one large pistol primer. The Beehive is reusable and is reloaded by hand. Built to last, the Beehive is manufactured from aerospace grade aluminum with a hard coat anodize...

armsunlimited.com

Wouldn't that count as 15 rounds per mashin' of the banger switch and thus put it under the NFA?

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Wouldn't that count as 15 rounds per mashin' of the banger switch and thus put it under the NFA?

volley fire


AI

"Volley Fire: Multiple barrels fire at the exact same time. The ATF has historically ruled that simultaneous fire from separate barrels constitutes a single "shot" in terms of timing, even if multiple projectiles are released"

 

[Unka-Boo]

Wouldn't that count as 15 rounds per mashin' of the banger switch and thus put it under the NFA?

It's one of those weird areas where by itself its a non regulated part, but putting it in a flare launcher to use, you just created an SBR.

 

[Ben B.]

It's one of those weird areas where by itself its a non regulated part, but putting it in a flare launcher to use, you just created an SBR.

?

I think you might mean a DD.

 

[Unka-Boo]

?

I think you might mean a DD.

Possibly...think caliber comes into play, but been forever since I looked into those semantics.

 

[Ben B.]

Owning a 40mm launcher requires a Destructive Device transfer. I believe 37mm flare launchers are not NFA. A beehive round by itself is not a NFA item. But possessing or using a beehive round with a 37mm flare launcher transforms the launcher into an NFA Destructive Device thru that "special NFA magic."

 

[Ben B.]

It seems like flechette rounds might actually be useful against drones, if they can hold a decent pattern at distance. I would guess that a hit from a single flechette would disable most small to medium quadcopter drones.