Poll: Does Sig Sauer survive as a company?

[Ura-Ki]

This video shows EXACTLY how a SIG 320 Striker functions, Note that ALL the pressure is resting ONLY on the Sear, that the ( Joke of a ) trigger safety is completely negated if there is ANY slide to frame movement, particularly vertical, like pinching the muzzle in a retention holster, which spreads the rear of the slide to frame gap open, when that happens, the ONLY thing holding the striker is the Sear!

Sig could fix this TWO ways,
1) Tighten the Frame Guide Rail Clearances to prevent all that slop from moving the slide away from the frame or from pinching the muzzle end!
2) add a trigger interlock like Glock and the rest of the striker fired world have!

You watch this video, pay particular attention to the SEAR, and use your imagination, lift the rear of the slide a few thousandths and guess what's gonna happen!

View: https://youtu.be/_j3nGnPrkjI?si=MFdRX0rPk2--wcxE

 

[wired]

This video shows EXACTLY how a SIG 320 Striker functions, Note that ALL the pressure is resting ONLY on the Sear, that the ( Joke of a ) trigger safety is completely negated if there is ANY slide to frame movement, particularly vertical, like pinching the muzzle in a retention holster, which spreads the rear of the slide to frame gap open, when that happens, the ONLY thing holding the striker is the Sear!

Sig could fix this TWO ways,
1) Tighten the Frame Guide Rail Clearances to prevent all that slop from moving the slide away from the frame or from pinching the muzzle end!
2) add a trigger interlock like Glock and the rest of the striker fired world have!

You watch this video, pay particular attention to the SEAR, and use your imagination, lift the rear of the slide a few thousandths and guess what's gonna happen!

View: https://youtu.be/_j3nGnPrkjI?si=MFdRX0rPk2--wcxE

When you lift the rear of the slide of your 320 does it fire?

 

[Ura-Ki]

When you lift the rear of the slide of your 320 does it fire?

Sure does!

 

[wired]

Sure does!

Mine sure doesn't . Old gun?

 

[Ura-Ki]

Mine sure doesn't . Old gun?

I don't own a SIG, but I held one once, does that count?

 

[DirectDrive]

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[DirectDrive]

OK, this is the video from Wyoming Guy that has made an impression on a lot of folks.

View: https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk?feature=shared


Now here is a video that shows how Wyoming Guy's video does not reveal anything unusual about how a striker fired gun works. It shows a different striker gun being manipulated the same way, just with better equipment.
It's normal for a couple of reasons.
1) All striker-fired pistols have the striker lug in the slide and the sear in the frame.
2) Pull the trigger back until the striker lug is "perching" on the edge of the sear.
3) Wiggle the slide and the striker drops.

This is a no-drama video that shows the same result with a different striker pistol...

View: https://youtu.be/NKiN14zTF6o?feature=shared

 

[DirectDrive]

In regards to Wyoming Guy's video, I politely used the terminology, "has made an impression on"
Others might say "were influenced by"
"Victimized" is unfortunately more accurate and goes on every day in our media culture.

G19

 

[Rkangel]

More importantly, do Sig Sauer users survive?

I mean, when a company makes a product that actively tries to kill you, making it through another day is its own accomplishment. /Sarcasm

 

[Will_White]

OK, this is the video from Wyoming Guy that has made an impression on a lot of folks.

View: https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk?feature=shared


Now here is a video that shows how Wyoming Guy's video does not reveal anything unusual about how a striker fired gun works. It shows a different striker gun being manipulated the same way, just with better equipment.
It's normal for a couple of reasons.
1) All striker-fired pistols have the striker lug in the slide and the sear in the frame.
2) Pull the trigger back until the striker lug is "perching" on the edge of the sear.
3) Wiggle the slide and the striker drops.

This is a no-drama video that shows the same result with a different striker pistol...

View: https://youtu.be/NKiN14zTF6o?feature=shared

The difference between the 2 is the sig takes very little input on the trigger to do it, the glock trigger has to move way more before it reaches a dangerous state.

 

[Kruel J]

The difference between the 2 is the sig takes very little input on the trigger to do it, the glock trigger has to move way more before it reaches a dangerous state.

Yeah, but that doesn't fit their narrative. It's been pointed out and ignored, conveniently.

 

[1775usmc]

Yeah, but that doesn't fit their narrative. It's been pointed out and ignored, conveniently.

Same dude does the same test with a P320. They aren't the same. Way less travel. Even look at the trigger movements. Look at how far the Glock trigger has to be pulled vs the P320. It's hard to tell but it almost looks like by touching the slide and moving the gun the trigger gets moved to the rear finishing the break. But maybe not. Watch the trigger movement. But if you have two metal pieces barely making contact then yea, they will probably release. The thing is how easily is it accomplished. How many parts are involved. The P320 he did it on actually looked a lot tighter than the Wyoming gun works one. Which is crazy cause that slide is still crazy sloppy. I'd like to see this test done with a large batch of both P320s and Glocks. Measuring distance before the sear drops, force to get it there, ect. It'd be interesting to see averages.

Apples and oranges. Yet it's always "look at Glock." We forced the Glock to appear to do the same thing which means our product is validated. Glock is the standard for striker fired guns. Always has been. Always will be. One of these 2 platforms is having a ton of issues. I'll let you in on a secret…. It's not the Glock.

And let's not forget you have to bypass the trigger safety to even start that test on the Glock. Not that it matters.

I've owned both. Shot both. Carried both. If someone is claiming the triggers are the same that is comical.

It's definitely a more scientific/methodical test though.

View: https://youtu.be/TXYwUJejL88?si=X8McKJkTJqybTC16

 

[DirectDrive]

The difference between the 2 is the sig takes very little input on the trigger to do it, the glock trigger has to move way more before it reaches a dangerous state.

Doesn't look like it...

View: https://youtu.be/TXYwUJejL88?feature=shared

 

[1775usmc]

These two tests are the equivalent of race between a couch potato (P320) and a marathon runner (G19). The marathon runner starts with his legs and hands tied miles and miles away. He first has to free his limbs and then start the race. He runs up until the last 100 yards which is where the couch potato enters the race and they both cross the finish line at the same time. The potato claims to be the same as the marathon runner because they finished at the same spot. Even though the marathon runner had been running miles to get to the spot where the couch potato entered the race.

Break it down Barney style.

 

[OneArgus]

I can not speak of the new guns made my P229 Preban/leo
Is all I really know about sigs other the the pocket 9mm we have.
I think to tell how well they do, is look at how far off where they once were they are now.
My sig is a tank and smooth as silk, near zero kick on the 40sw. It would be my daily if it was
not such a big firearm.
Digress. Sig if they are this far off the mark, will need allot to recover.
Lets face it Glock and the millions of fan boys no matter what you think of Glock they
have left Sig in the dust, and even Taurus is building some more superior fire arms when compared.
Probably wouldn't have been so bad if the firearm in question was not used professionally like it was.

 

[Roms]

The difference between the 2 is the sig takes very little input on the trigger to do it, the glock trigger has to move way more before it reaches a dangerous state.

I don't have a ton of confidence in Wyoming guys's measurements.

The contact surfaces for the tines of his calipers are contoured in two axes. Why is he holding the firearm up in the air while taking those measurements?

They'd be more accurate if the pistol were flat on the table when those measurements were taken.

They'd be considerably more accurate if there are a notch or other fixed point in the grip and trigger to take the measurements from.

 

[The Heretic]

SIG will survive, but there may be major changes in the executive suite.

The 320 probably won't survive, the 250 didn't.

 

[Aught Six]

At least they didnt use Mulvaney as a spokes person.

Once again, never liked striker fired anything.
I hug my P220 every night. Sleep well too, know it only shoots bad guys.

 

[1775usmc]

At least they didnt use Mulvaney as a spokes person.

Once again, never liked striker fired anything.
I hug my P220 every night. Sleep well too, know it only shoots bad guys.

Tim Kennedy is more their speed.

 

[1775usmc]

View: https://youtu.be/c0gIGlTjzuw?si=X9w9s7_mVTHoNqjD