Could this be the cheapest & crappiest .380 ever?

[HaveGun]

It was much like the .22 revolvers on the shelf just below them: a Rough Rider for $139, and a Wrangler for $179. The quality difference between the two is tremendous, so why would anyone ever buy the one, when they could have the other for just $40 more?

A lot of people are simply incapable of discerning quality. Mostly they are not mechanically inclined and the difference in fit and finish is not apparent to them.

You will beat your head against a wall trying to reason with them since they are incapable of looking at a perfectly machined slide or part and then look at one with tooling marks or rougher grain and see the difference.

 

[oldcorpgunny]

Actually saw one of these in the wild not long ago. Almost made me go out and purchase a hipoint!

NO-O-O-O-O!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[po18guy]

I doubt it will ever jam under normal circumstances!

Depends on the dexterity of the person loading it.

Chck the November issue of GUNS Magazine. They take a closer look at them.

 

[oldcorpgunny]

Depends on the dexterity of the person loading it.

Chck the November issue of GUNS Magazine. They take a closer look at them.

Why take a closer look? It would be like examining a dog turd.

 

[JohnnyMac]

Why take a closer look? It would be like examining a dog turd.

As much as I hate to admit it, I have done that..... My dog has eaten some pretty valuable stuff.

 

[CLT65]

Completely disagree. I've had several rough riders and still have two. They are not anywhere close to junk. They feel and shoot great, are very reliable, and have 4 click action like a colt SAA.

I'm glad you got good ones. My experience has been quite different. I bought mine brand new, shot a couple hundred rounds through it, and the barrel came loose. Brand new gun, obvious factory defect; they'll make it right, right?

Turns out, they don't send you a return label like every other gun company would for a new gun. It costs you $50 to get it to them, where they kind-of/sort-of fix it. I went ahead and sent it to them. They installed a new barrel, and sent it back worse than before: it actually had negative cylinder gap. Yes, the cylinder face was riding on the barrel breech! It's shameful that something like that ever left the bench of someone who calls them self a gunsmith. Unbelievable. There was no way I was going to waste another $50 to send it back to them again. This is why I consider them to be a junk gun company, and cannot recommend them. That, and reading about tons of similar problems online.

Plenty of them work, and work well. They're not all junk guns. I would probably still be happy with mine had it not fallen apart, or if they had done a remotely professional job of fixing it. A good friend of mine has had one for years, and has used it a lot in his work for wildlife control. The last time I talked to him I asked him about it, and he said that he'd quit using it recently because it felt loose and didn't always work right. He used it a lot for quite a few years, and it's just worn out. I do have to say that he got his money's worth.

After my experience with the Rough Rider, I went out and bought a Wrangler. Comparing them side by side, you can see and feel the obvious quality difference. The Ruger is a bare-bones basic, entry-level gun, but it is built like a Ruger. At least Ruger understands some basic things like cylinder gap and end-shake.

One last comment about the Rough Rider- mine is surprisingly accurate. I ended up fixing it myself, using some tiny shims made for S&W revolvers. Before, it would shoot OK but often key-hole. Now it will consistently shoot tiny little groups at 25 yards. I'll take the Wrangler any day because of quality and durability, but (dare I say it) my particular Rough Rider is actually more accurate!

 

[oldcorpgunny]

As much as I hate to admit it, I have done that..... My dog has eaten some pretty valuable stuff.

I understand. Mine ate my hearing aids!

 

[oldcorpgunny]

A lot of people are simply incapable of discerning quality. Mostly they are not mechanically inclined and the difference in fit and finish is not apparent to them.

You will beat your head against a wall trying to reason with them since they are incapable of looking at a perfectly machined slide or part and then look at one with tooling marks or rougher grain and see the difference.

I understand your remarks about not understanding what quality is. I started out with cheap unreliable junk before finally purchasing a Hi-Point.

 

[aflineman]

It looks to be a good cheap firearm to dispatch hogs and cows on the farm. Simple, and looks to be hard to break. Just about perfect for that function.

 

[Mikej]

A lot of people are simply incapable of discerning quality. Mostly they are not mechanically inclined and the difference in fit and finish is not apparent to them.

Agree...."MikeJ and Wifey" 10 years ago. First gun for Wifey, Keltec PF-9. We're more educated now.

 

[po18guy]

Why take a closer look? It would be like examining a dog turd.

OK, so, not on your must have list?
If it had been called the "Glock SS" folks would be drooling over it.

 

[RVTECH]

Ranks right up there with this!

 

[Nosferatu]

The 9mm version would make a good rat slayer with the CCI 9mm shotshells. Those things never cycle my semi-autos anyway.

Thread the muzzle and you have a decent suppressor host.

Is it the ideal CCW gun or home defense gun? Nope. Was it designed to be? Nope. That doesn't make it a SNS.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I understand your remarks about not understanding what quality is. I started out with cheap unreliable junk before finally purchasing a Hi-Point.

Hi point:

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• ilikegunspdx
• Aug 17, 2020

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Ranks right up there with this!

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Wow, that does not look good... Reminds me of the zip 22

 

[po18guy]

Yeah it's ugly and yeah it's weird, but I'll be you could put it and some hex bits in a Makita case and get past TSA with it.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

Ranks right up there with this!

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I have one of those. Lots of family connections to it.

 

[CountryGent]

Anyhow, there it was in the case, with a price of $99. Next to it was a SCCY 9mm for $179. I have to ask myself, why in the world would anyone ever buy *this*, when they could have *that* for just another $80?

It was much like the .22 revolvers on the shelf just below them: a Rough Rider for $139, and a Wrangler for $179. The quality difference between the two is tremendous, so why would anyone ever buy the one, when they could have the other for just $40 more?

The ignorance of the gun buying population can sometimes be quite astounding. If I had any doubt, and I didn't, running an FFL as a side business erased any doubt. (*cough* Hi Points)

Yeah it's ugly and yeah it's weird, but I'll be you could put it and some hex bits in a Makita case and get past TSA with it.

TSA's success rate, eh?

 

[teflon6string]

You found it! I haven't seen my spud gun since 1962.

 

[oldcorpgunny]

The new folks that are buying guns today are truly ignorant of what they are doing. They seem to think that the act of purchasing a firearm is sufficient to stop any ne'er do well from causing them harm. Safety and training are of paramount interest to the gun-owning public or should be.