Cartel Gun Problem and Border

[EPS]

??? Let me get this straight, you think legally purchasing a firearm in this country then smuggling that firearm into a foreign country and selling that firearm to someone in that foreign country without regard to that country's laws or our country's laws, that "gunrunning is something that is occurring legally" or did you just try to hide that "fact" in your support for the wall (and maybe purchase restrictions)?

Believe me there not buying anything in this country.
They have a bunch of little punks .
Drive a car though the front door of a gun shop .run in grab whatever they can and run out.
Had a whole string of them up here last year.
Something like 5 shops robbed this way

 

[Boboclown]

You still use the clutch .lol
Only to start and stop.

Gotta build up the calves bro. The tighter the clutch the bigger your gains.

 

[EPS]

Gotta build up the calves bro. The tighter the clutch the bigger your gains.

Lol

 

[Herb g]

The Mexican government said that 90% of the guns that they submitted to the FBI for tracing were traced to the US. Bearing in mind that the FBI can only trace guns in the US, would you bother sending them stuff you knew didn't come from here? I don't remember the numbers but the math added up to a very small percentage of the total number of seized cartel guns. I remember this because Obama misquoted this as "90% of cartel guns come from the US" in a big public speech.

Here's a nice mental exercise: If you were a cartel boss and could buy semi-auto rifles a few at a time for $800 each from the US or full-auto rifles from South America or Africa (by the shipping container load apparently) for $300 each, which would you do? Bear in mind that you're going to be needing grenades and rocket launchers too, and you already get them from choice number two.

Fake statistics makes fake news- same ol' business. Everybody is involved/on the take, including govt. and LE on both sides of the border. They call it "controlling" the trade. Never has been a plan to eliminate it. Watch "Narco Mexico" and "El Chapo".

 

[Flopsweat]

You still use the clutch .lol
Only to start and stop.

Gotta build up the calves bro. The tighter the clutch the bigger your gains.

"Braking news"?

 

[DuneHopper]

??? Let me get this straight, you think legally purchasing a firearm in this country then smuggling that firearm into a foreign country and selling that firearm to someone in that foreign country without regard to that country's laws or our country's laws, that "gunrunning is something that is occurring legally" or did you just try to hide that "fact" in your support for the wall (and maybe purchase restrictions)?

I actually, have no idea what you are trying to ask, say etc.... sorry not following it.

 

[Inquisitor]

I actually, have no idea what you are trying to ask, say etc.... sorry not following it.

The point is if certain political parties are concerned about paying for a wall along our border, well obviously they are aware that firearms are coming out of this country and going into other countries over that same border they were trying to keep people from coming in if that makes sense. That's why I posted this. I know this presents an argument for limiting the amount of firearms one could purchase, or making it more difficult because gunrunning is something that is occurring legally. So just something to think about when were having this issue about a wall it's not just a matter of protecting what's coming in, we may need to be concerned about what's going out and how that affects our Second Amendment rights when it's being abused in a criminal way.

My question: Do you really believe what you wrote (especially the bolded phrase) or are you just trying to drum up support for "limiting the amount of firearms one could purchase" and/or "the wall" with an erroneous claim?

 

[Flopsweat]

My question: Do you really believe what you wrote (especially the bolded phrase) or are you just trying to drum up support for "limiting the amount of firearms one could purchase" and/or "the wall" with an erroneous claim?

Dune has been around here a long time. I've read a lot of his posts and I'm very sure that's not what he meant. For a newb you seem a little aggressive, but maybe I'm misreading your intent.

 

[DuneHopper]

My question: Do you really believe what you wrote (especially the bolded phrase) or are you just trying to drum up support for "limiting the amount of firearms one could purchase" and/or "the wall" with an erroneous claim?

Not sure what the thoughts I had, have to do with the wall as I do not mention it, I want the wall. Id pay for it if I could.
OK my point was we are having a border issue, even Democrats are buying firearm and shipping them down south,
I guess some were living under a rock when that hit the news. Its not like I was making something up, and to add a Democrat senator
was sentenced for gun running to southern cartels. Maybe you are living up in the hills and do not get TV, news or the pony express.
So to clarify it was Democrats that created gun running to the south, and it does appear that many of the guns were purchased by legal means.

I also worked as a Civil Rights lobbyist and helped people like you retain 2nd Amendment rights, so not hardly trying to limit
purchases. Or trying to remove rights, in fact I alone protected one for you, and your welcome.
Not sure what you are drinking as thats quite the reach, the news reported along time ago Democrats we running guns, and then one got arrested doing this. It appears they used one of their own FFL's who is being prosecuted to retain them legally.
My bad, I thought everyone knew about that scandal.

By the way, if you want any further responses, lose the tone and accusations or putting words in my mouth I never said.
I am probably about as pro-2nd as one can be, in fact I am as we speak publishing my book
about our 2nd Rights just waiting for publisher approval.
But hey thanks for the insults ( sarcasm). I am sorry you are outta touch with the world,
but not my fault, hint.... maybe try asking before you accuse people. Have a good one.

( edit, I was trying BTW to avoid accusing Democrats as the rules here frown upon it, so clear it up I stated whom is responsible and how )

 

[DuneHopper]

Dune has be around here a long time. I've read a lot of his posts and I'm very sure that's not what he meant. For a newb you seem a little aggressive, but maybe I'm misreading your intent.

Thanks @Flopsweat appreciate the six coverage. I was trying to stay within the rules, without nailing Dems to the wall.
I figure everyone knew about the gun running and by whom. But thanks.

 

[DunRanull]

Hmmmm.... Ive had this attitude for a long time.. IF the money and intentions of the drug cartels were mine, with all that cash, why don't the cartels buy weapons by the boat load from China and skip the middleman? China (and Russia, presumably, and N Korea) are all capable of manufacturing "clean" weapons and selling them to the drug lords for hard cash in USA dollars.. Why would they mess around with buying piece by piece in the US when other options are available to them? Makes no sense to me.
I think this "Fast and Furious" BS is so much hogwash to scare the American public into yet again giving up more firearms rights.. like 1934 and 1968...

 

[rcnpthfndr]

not a bad article on the subject but it points out the problem of weapons captured in mexico vs whats being sent to be traced by the BATFE.

seems to be a lot of missing info and bias in a lot of the reporting (no Surprise) on similar articles. I am not talking about what dunehopper wrote but what legacy media had out there

Counting Mexico's Guns - FactCheck.org

 

[Pandaz3]

"Gunrunning" when and where did that term originate? I am not clear on the answer, so maybe should not have asked the question.. It seems logical that it occurred at some point after guns could be mass produced, to amount to much. I suspect it was mostly to insurgent groups somewhere, that were fighting their current 'duly appointed government' be that a king, queen, parliament, or republic. It could also be for a different kind of criminal element, gangs, cartels, settlers, farmers or lumberjacks, lawbreakers all. You know they are breaking the law if they are receiving something they are not supposed to have, to do something they are not supposed to do. Pirates were rum runners, gun runners, and more.
"Gunrunning" has been with us a long long time.

 

[DunRanull]

"Gunrunning" when and where did that term originate? I am not clear on the answer, so maybe should not have asked the question.. It seems logical that it occurred at some point after guns could be mass produced, to amount to much. I suspect it was mostly to insurgent groups somewhere, that were fighting their current 'duly appointed government' be that a king, queen, parliament, or republic. It could also be for a different kind of criminal element, gangs, cartels, settlers, farmers or lumberjacks, lawbreakers all. You know they are breaking the law if they are receiving something they are not supposed to have, to do something they are not supposed to do. Pirates were rum runners, gun runners, and more.
"Gunrunning" has been with us a long long time.

If "gunrunning" was a known or suspected larger part of the political equation, the Wall would have been built years ago, libs would have been up in arms to get it built.. Gunrunning is against the law on both sides of the border, but some would welcome shiploads of guns coming to the norte- "llegando al norte de la frontera"... Continual restriction of Constitutional guarantees will probably insure this... like pot and other drugs.. in many ways and for many reasons Im happy to be an old geezer in the "check-out line of life".. All ya'lls can deal with it.

 

[Herb g]

If "gunrunning" was a known or suspected larger part of the political equation, the Wall would have been built years ago, libs would have been up in arms to get it built.. Gunrunning is against the law on both sides of the border, but some would welcome shiploads of guns coming to the norte- "llegando al norte de la frontera"... Continual restriction of Constitutional guarantees will probably insure this... like pot and other drugs.. in many ways and for many reasons Im happy to be an old geezer in the "check-out line of life".. All ya'lls can deal with it.

#2 in the check-out line. In a way hate to leave this place in such a mess, but if you can't muster the gumpshun to change it, better look for a new hobby. Maybe bowling...and remember...the geezers told you so.

 

[DunRanull]

#2 in the check-out line. In a way hate to leave this place in such a mess, but if you can't muster the gumpshun to change it, better look for a new hobby. Maybe bowling...and remember...the geezers told you so.

Ive been in the struggle for gun rights/2nd Amendment since I was a boy.. 55+ years ago. One does what one can, yes?

 

[DunRanull]

Ive been in the struggle for gun rights/2nd Amendment since I was a boy.. 55+ years ago. One does what one can, yes? Got issues, then YOU go bowling..

 

[Herb g]

Was not referring to you personally. Just a you in general. Sorry.

 

[DunRanull]

My apology, I took it personally. Having a bit of a day what with one thing and another, not an excuse but a reason.

 

[rfmjchp]

Some of this is wrong, but some is correct. During Obama ATFE ran an operations that allowed large amount of firearms to be purchased illegally from dealers in border states. AFTE instructed dealers to violate the law in doing this, straw buyers, etc. ATFE was supposed to track the weapons. But ATFE lost track on a majority of these firearms. The lid blew off the pot when one of the "lost" firearms was used in the shooting death of a Border Patrol Agent. Then there was another rumor that 70% (possibly) of "ALL" firearms used in crimes in Mexico came from the US. What the pro control persons failed to state was that of all the firearms confiscated, reported in the 100,000 plus, only about 15,000 had some identifying marks that would allow any type of tracking. Of that group a high percent did come from the US. I'll have to pull the articles from my files.