Cartel Gun Problem and Border

[EPS]

Thank God the cartels don't have any machinist or the ability to put "ghost" guns together. I mean, what good are $billions in narco dollars when you have to bribe Clint Eastwood to do your dirt (Just guessing I didn't see his movie yet).

Mexico, Central & South America's gun issues could very likely be cut in half (like our drug problem) if there was a will to do so. I understand the cartels own regions in Mexico. Seems to me if everyone knows who they are (It's no secret with their brutality) and where they are, why are they allowed to freely operate IF they are reduced to sneaking rifles from Joe Bob from San Diego?

They don't need to build guns they have the money to buy full auto guns from the CORRUPT.
GOV POLICE.
THAT SELL THEM GUNS AND ASK THE U.S.
TO RESUPPLY THE POLICE

 

[EPS]

Yep let's open the BORDER AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

 

[Deavis]

I think those numbers are greatly skewed. If I recall correctly:

The % of US origin guns was from the pile of weapons they actually did traces on and not the whole pile.

Many guns like Argentinan full auto FALs or Taurus pistols without US import markings or full auto Romy AKs aren't traced.

I would not be surprised either if diverted/stolen US manufactured arms originally shipped to governments was also placed in this % and blamed on the US civilian gun market.

The motivation is pretty clear: inflate the gun problem in MX and blame the US market so more controls follow. I can think of no other reason for Operation Fast and Furious.

 

[KKG]

Many moons ago I was stationed in the CZ and I was assigned to deliver a batch of M-1 and M-2 Carbines, plus a bunch of ammunition to the local Federal Police. I didn't question what was going on until about 6 months later when I got assigned to deliver another batch to the same place. Something was fishy because the first batch had been big enough to supply the entire Force with a Carbine. At that point I questioned the request and told them I would need to talk it over with my CO(a good guy). The guy said don't bother. I knew he was a "Company Man" aka:CIA and I would be talking to my CO no matter what he said.

Well, my CO said I had done right.

Which just says it's still going on today just like it was 50 years ago.

 

[Mike97124]

If the cartel's get a lot of their guns from Calf then there is a silver lining to all of their laws limiting the number of rounds a gun can hold. With Calf guns in the hands of the drug dealers then they will be vastly out gunned by police and owners in other states. And if most of those guns have the lock, even better. And just think, everyone thought that Calf just wanted to limit gun ownership in the state and here they really had a plan all along.



Mike

 

[EPS]

If the cartel's get a lot of their guns from Calf then there is a silver lining to all of their laws limiting the number of rounds a gun can hold. With Calf guns in the hands of the drug dealers then they will be vastly out gunned by police and owners in other states. And if most of those guns have the lock, even better. And just think, everyone thought that Calf just wanted to limit gun ownership in the state and here they really had a plan all along.



Mike

I will bet or I CAN SAY WITH OUT A SECOND THOUGHT.
they don't get there guns from California

 

[EPS]

Accully the California / Mexico border is small .
Compared to TEXAS .OR ARIZONA.

 

[User 1234]

WATCH: San Francisco Police Officer Shoots Fleeing Suspect on Crowded Street

Criminals in California are armed with whatever they want. The thug in the link above had a Glock 30 with 26 round magazine.

The San Bernardino terrorists shot up the Christmas party with modified AR's that they had illegally bought on the street and modified. They had 30 round magazines and because they hadn't lived in the state before 2000, they weren't grandfathered mags. Same with the guy who shot up Borderline, he was a minor in 1999, so his magazine was not bought by him before the 2000 ban on transfers and purchases. It is doubtful his dad gave him a Glock mag in 1999 when he was 10. None of these laws affect criminals. Look at the Instagram feeds of any police department in California and you will see felons in possession, days after being released from jail. The Oxnard PD SEU Instagram page is a great example.

 

[Mike97124]

Ah, the lack of humor is such a terrible things.

 

[User 1234]

Sorry, I just tend to rant when I see the "laws stop criminals" topic, even when made in jest as you did.

 

[CountryGent]

The San Bernardino terrorists shot up the Christmas party with modified AR's that they had illegally bought on the street and modified.

True that. And I would add those two monsters also tried to convert one to full-auto. Those of us that collect NFA items have not been able to paper and convert since May 1986. Did that stop the bad guys? Nope, of course not, but it did the law-abiding. Another gun control success story!

 

[EPS]

True that. And I would add those two monsters also tried to convert one to full-auto. Those of us that collect NFA items have not been able to paper and convert since May 1986. Did that stop the bad guys? Nope, of course not, but it did the law-abiding. Another gun control success story!

Oh and don't forget if you really look into there plans include .
Stopping traffic on the freeway with PIPE BOMBS.
then shoot people stopped in there cars.
So carry on people.
Lol oh yeah IT'S ILLAGAL TO CARRY A LOADED GUN IN YOUR CAR IN CALIFORNIA

 

[Flopsweat]

I think those numbers are greatly skewed. If I recall correctly:

The % of US origin guns was from the pile of weapons they actually did traces on and not the whole pile.

Many guns like Argentinan full auto FALs or Taurus pistols without US import markings or full auto Romy AKs aren't traced.

I would not be surprised either if diverted/stolen US manufactured arms originally shipped to governments was also placed in this % and blamed on the US civilian gun market.

The motivation is pretty clear: inflate the gun problem in MX and blame the US market so more controls follow. I can think of no other reason for Operation Fast and Furious.

The Mexican government said that 90% of the guns that they submitted to the FBI for tracing were traced to the US. Bearing in mind that the FBI can only trace guns in the US, would you bother sending them stuff you knew didn't come from here? I don't remember the numbers but the math added up to a very small percentage of the total number of seized cartel guns. I remember this because Obama misquoted this as "90% of cartel guns come from the US" in a big public speech.

Here's a nice mental exercise: If you were a cartel boss and could buy semi-auto rifles a few at a time for $800 each from the US or full-auto rifles from South America or Africa (by the shipping container load apparently) for $300 each, which would you do? Bear in mind that you're going to be needing grenades and rocket launchers too, and you already get them from choice number two.

 

[Boboclown]

Or they'll lose some off the truck instead of legally purchased by some corrupt politician.

And you can bet a corrupt politician will be why some is lost from a truck.

 

[Flopsweat]

Or they'll lose some off the truck instead of legally purchased by some corrupt politician.

And you can bet a corrupt politician will be why some is lost from a truck.

The truck will have a manual transmission of course.
Because those politicians are so shifty!

 

[wired]

Drugs move North. Guns and money move south. Its not legal in either but thats reality.

They get a lot of real military stuff from Guatemala and El Salvadore but a lot of the light duty stuff comes from the U.S.

 

[Boboclown]

The truck will have a manual transmission of course.
Because those politicians are so shifty!

And they double clutch. First to get into neutral to say they won't take away your guns, then into gear to take away your guns.

 

[Pandaz3]

The 'Fast and Furious' was the name of the 2010 operation that Obama's AG, was hiding. Broke the law, got a Border Patrol officer killed... a big deal back then..
Nothing new that since the guns are made here that they had to have crossed the border somehow.
Drugs into this country and money and guns flow back. Again not new!

 

[Inquisitor]

. . . That's why I posted this. I know this presents an argument for limiting the amount of firearms one could purchase, or making it more difficult because gunrunning is something that is occurring legally. . . .

??? Let me get this straight, you think legally purchasing a firearm in this country then smuggling that firearm into a foreign country and selling that firearm to someone in that foreign country without regard to that country's laws or our country's laws, that "gunrunning is something that is occurring legally" or did you just try to hide that "fact" in your support for the wall (and maybe purchase restrictions)?

 

[EPS]

And they double clutch. First to get into neutral to say they won't take away your guns, then into gear to take away your guns.

You still use the clutch .lol
Only to start and stop.