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[CamoDeafie]

They'll let the money long go before they'll release the power.

We'll see how things go. I don't believe even the SCOTUS would rule that requiring registration for $0 tax is unconstitutional.... Considering their history of leaving NFA alone in Heller, denying cert to the 9th Circus case regarding Montana Firearms Freedom Act of 2009 invoking the Commerce clause......and so on.

Definitely! How many pro 2A laws have been passed since 1900?

On the Federal level? 0

On the State level? Well, quite several including Constitutional/permitless Carry going from a few States to 29 at last count, and several States using the Montana Firearms Freedom Act of 2009 as templates (see Texas)......

 

[ilikegunspdx]

We'll see how things go. I don't believe even the SCOTUS would rule that requiring registration for $0 tax is unconstitutional.... Considering their history of leaving NFA alone in Heller, denying cert to the 9th Circus case regarding Montana Firearms Freedom Act of 2009 invoking the Commerce clause......and so on.

On the Federal level? 0

On the State level? Well, quite several including Constitutional/permitless Carry going from a few States to 29 at last count, and several States using the Montana Firearms Freedom Act of 2009 as templates (see Texas)......

Fed level I'm talking about.

State level I'm sure it's a giant hodgepodge with anti gun laws ratio to pro gun laws probably 20:1 or more but just a guess.

 

[1775usmc]

We'll see how things go. I don't believe even the SCOTUS would rule that requiring registration for $0 tax is unconstitutional.... Considering their history of leaving NFA alone in Heller, denying cert to the 9th Circus case regarding Montana Firearms Freedom Act of 2009 invoking the Commerce clause......and so on.

On the Federal level? 0

On the State level? Well, quite several including Constitutional/permitless Carry going from a few States to 29 at last count, and several States using the Montana Firearms Freedom Act of 2009 as templates (see Texas)......

Time will tell. But I'm not holding my breath.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Fed level I'm talking about.

Right like I said, 0. But from State level,.means voters in those 2A friendly States have an opportunity that should not be wasted (but will likely be ) to send 2A absolutists to Congress in both Senate and House of Reps in order to get the ball rolling on repealing Fed level gun laws...it'll be a long, uphill battle just to replace enough people on the Senate Finance/Tax Committee in order to get things out of committee onto the Senate floor, and House Ways and Means committee for the House side.

 

[1775usmc]

Right like I said, 0. But from State level,.means voters in those 2A friendly States have an opportunity that should not be wasted (but will likely be ) to send 2A absolutists to Congress in both Senate and House of Reps in order to get the ball rolling on repealing Fed level gun laws...it'll be a long, uphill battle just to replace enough people on the Senate Finance/Tax Committee in order to get things out of committee onto the Senate floor, and House Ways and Means committee for the House side.

I appreciate your optimism in the American people.

 

[CamoDeafie]

I appreciate your optimism in the American people.

I did say an opportunity that shouldn't be wasted...but it likely will be



Honestly, I am actually expecting this session of Congress to put a nominal tax amount back in, if not outright raise tax to beyond $200 for NFA items in order to moot the lawsuits and then when the midterms come around, if there's a predictable swing back to anti2A majority,.for the next session to Jack NFA taxes and potentially add "assault weapons" to NFA and do Hughes Amendment style ban on "making" new "AWs" after an arbitrary date for unlicensed people

 

[PNWReloading]

No surprise

 

[orygun]

I have my braces and lots of ear plugs.

That's funny! I had a brace until "they" let me have a stock for free. I knew it was a "work around", but I was cool with it. The stock is a nice improvement.

I think people just like puffing their chests

Ya' don't say?

 

[orygun]

But I'll say the $200 for the tax stamp may play a role in my buying a suppressor. They ain't cheap and adding Two Bones right off of the bat doesn't help. I'm in no hurry. Lived without one for this long...

 

[CamoDeafie]

But I'll say the $200 for the tax stamp may play a role in my buying a suppressor. They ain't cheap and adding Two Bones right off of the bat doesn't help. I'm in no hurry. Lived without one for this long...

It's also a small amount relatively to the cost of high end suppressors, or really small taters to cost of transferable machine guns

 

[1775usmc]

But I'll say the $200 for the tax stamp may play a role in my buying a suppressor. They ain't cheap and adding Two Bones right off of the bat doesn't help. I'm in no hurry. Lived without one for this long...

I traded a Glock 43 for my last suppressor. Got a hell of a deal and only had to pay the $200 tax. It was a win win for me.

The $0.00 will be nice though. I'd like to get a can for my .17HMR. Other than that I really only run suppressors on my bolt guns currently.

Being a lefty and shooting right handed ARs allows me to the privilege of a ton of gas to the face while shooting suppressed. It's doable but not enjoyable. lol.

 

[Camelfilter]

...Being a lefty and shooting right handed ARs allows me to the privilege of a ton of gas to the face while shooting suppressed. It's doable but not enjoyable. lol.

flow thru type may be worth looking into?

 

[arakboss]

That's funny! I had a brace until "they" let me have a stock for free. I knew it was a "work around", but I was cool with it. The stock is a nice improvement.

Ya' don't say?

I think either one works the same. If I use a stock than I have to figure out how to add a strap

 

[1775usmc]

flow thru type may be worth looking into?

Possibly. I don't have a ton of buddies close by who run suppressors and I'm not gunna throw money at products that may not solve the issues. I wear hearing protection so it's not a huge deal to me. I even wear ears when shooting suppressed.

If I had a reason to "need" a suppressor on a AR I may look more seriously at it. But for now running them unsuppressed is fine. With the $0.00 tax stamp I would be more willing to try out cans but I do more bolt gun and pistol stuff nowadays. I own a single AR which has been form 1 into a SBR and it sits in the safe more than it gets used. I stay proficient with it but I just don't enjoy the AR platform like I used to.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

But I'll say the $200 for the tax stamp may play a role in my buying a suppressor. They ain't cheap and adding Two Bones right off of the bat doesn't help. I'm in no hurry. Lived without one for this long...

Some conclusions I've come to re suppressors fyi. Just what I think, not the bible. If cost were no object I woudl have a different philosophy I'm sure. Adapters alone you can save hundreds to thousands.

Re suppressor, my philosophy is to get the most bang for your buck. From my experience and research this is my philosophy (cannot comment on form 1 cans at all):

1) #1 priority: 22lr, gives biggest benefits, inexpensive, the cheapest can is 95% as good as the most expensive can. So spend $179ish for a cheap aluminum baffle can. My $109 aluminum baffle 22 can is same weight and sounds almost the same as my $399 titanium printed flow through 22 can.

2) #2 priority: most common used caliber that gives a lot of benefit when suppressed (some calibers do not), for example 9mm. A better can can be very different than the cheapest can. For example a standard 22lr can will give roughly 121-124db. The best 9mm can available (Ptr vent 2) gives about 124-125db so it almost reaches 22lr levels which is crazy. So here imo is where it's worth the $ to spend more.
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#3 buy flow through cans only. A) Reduces back pressure which means bolt speed is not increased, resulting in less wear and less chance to malfunction. Also means you don't have to modify weapon to run correctly because gun doesn't even know it's there. B) less gas to the face, resulting in more comfort and fun, less breathing in toxic stuff including lead. C) usually no first round pop, D) possibly reduced recoil depending on the gun. E) if you get a good one there is no loss in sound suppression. Of the top 20 cans tested by pre science for 5.56, 6 of the top 10 cans are low back pressure cans.

#4 buy one 7.62 can for both 7.62 and 5.56 often there is only 1 db difference when shooting 5.56 out of a 7.62 can vs shooting 5.56 out of the same model 5.56 can. 1 db change is not noticeable to the human ear.

#5 don't buy expensive thread adapter systems, just use direct thread. Works excellent and will save tons of $. Use BN lube in all threads, which is unaffected by the heat.

#6 if buying a hybrid or do-all suppressor, be aware of its sound suppression limitations. This is pers preference like a lot of things. Someone might say "I don't care about sound suppression levels as much as I care about being able to use on 4 calibers".

#7 be realistic about how much supersonic rounds such as 5.56 can be reduced. Very long cans such as OCM5 might give you some additional benefits.

#8 don't use 140 db as some magic (hearing safe) criteria. All loud sounds have an impact and mini concussion effect is real.

 

[jordanvraptor]

Well we got through and certified my suppressor application. Now we shall wait and see how long approval takes…

 

[Tlock]

Well we got through and certified my suppressor application. Now we shall wait and see how long approval takes… View attachment 2222936

Ya me too....im curious, keep me posted if you dont mind

 

[jordanvraptor]

Approved. I pick it up tomorrow.

 

[jordanvraptor]

I guess being a loyal party member pays off sometimes…

 

[Tlock]

Approved. I pick it up tomorrow.

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