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Any recommendation on a local FFL that will ship handguns?

Discussion in 'Business Discussion & Reviews' started by guitarguy, Aug 4, 2013.

  1. guitarguy

    guitarguy Longview, WA Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    Hi,
    I have several higher end handguns that I would like to sell on Gunbroker or on out of state forums but I need a local FFL that will ship for a reasonable amount, hopefully $50 or less.
    Any suggestions?
     
  2. SCARed

    SCARed Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    You can ship them yourself unless the recieving FFL won't allow it. But you do need to ship it overnight delivery. Only a FFL can ship it 2-3 day.
     
  3. Don H

    Don H Oregon Well-Known Member

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  4. guitarguy

    guitarguy Longview, WA Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    I should have been specific, I am looking for someone in Vancouver.
     
  5. SP101

    SP101 Oregon Active Member

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    J&B firearm sales. 503-260-8326

    Brad has an office in Portland and Vancouver
     
  6. guitarguy

    guitarguy Longview, WA Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    Thanks!
     
  7. guitarguy

    guitarguy Longview, WA Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    I have heard varying opinions on the "ship it yourself" method. I have shipped guns for repair through UPS Overnight. Yikes $58 to Kansas. I just wonder about shipping to a "regular" FFL holder. I have a couple potential buyers that would send me shipping labels but unless I can verify it's fully legal I just can't do it.
     
  8. PDXSparky

    PDXSparky Keizer / Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    Have them also send you a copy of the FFL that will receive the gun.
     
  9. guitarguy

    guitarguy Longview, WA Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    Thank you, I will get a copy of the FFL before I ship.
    I answered my own question: Per the ATF website I can ship UPS to an FFL holder in another state without using an FFL holder in this state. I did not know that. Now I do.
     
  10. AMT

    AMT Vancouver, WA. Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    Dan at Tropics Jewelry & Loan in Hazel Dell. :thumbup:
     
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  11. unklekippy

    unklekippy In The Mountains Near Sprague River Well-Known Member

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    Get a copy of the FFL it is being sent to and ship it via FedEx. Or you can go to an FFL and pay them a fee to do the exact same thing. It only has to be sent to an FFL, not from one. I have shipped guns all over the US and save at least $50 a pop by going to FedEx. I have always wondered how much money places make by not telling their customers that they can ship it themselves for much less money.
     
  12. guitarguy

    guitarguy Longview, WA Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    I just shipped one UPS to an FFL.
     
  13. AMT

    AMT Vancouver, WA. Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    This may be true, but not all FFL's accept from private party. I just went through this about 3 weeks ago. No FFL (of the 5 that I called) would accept from private party. When I asked "why" they said "because we don't know the history of the gun." I mentioned that it is not required that they only accept from an FFL. I was told "I know, but I'm not going to."

    Definitely, call first. :thumbup:
     
  14. FatherHolyHoly

    FatherHolyHoly MN Active Member

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    The Guide below may be found here: Firearms Shipping Guide- GunBroker.com Help Center


    Firearms Shipping Guide

    Overview
    This page provides information about Federal Laws, step that must be followed, and notes on using specific shippers when shipping firearms. This page is oriented toward the seller of an item. If you need information about how to buy a firearm through GunBroker.com, please refer to our Buyer's Tutorial.

    This page contains information oriented toward persons shipping firearms within the United States. For sellers located outside the United States, please see our Import / Export page.

    Shipping Legalities
    Federal Law requires that all modern firearms be shipped to a holder of a valid Federal Firearms License (FFL) only. The recipient must have an FFL; however the sender is not required to have one. Any person who is legally allowed to own a firearm is legally allowed to ship it to an FFL holder for any legal purpose (including sale or resale).

    Here is exactly what the ATF 'Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide' (ATF P 5300.4) says:
    (B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier?
    A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]

    (B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U. S. Postal Service?
    A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. A nonlicensee may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another state. The Postal Service recommends that longguns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.

    'Antique' firearms need not be shipped to a licensed dealer. These can be shipped directly to the buyer. An antique firearm is a firearm built in or before 1898, or a replica thereof. The exact ATF definition of an antique firearm is:
    Antique firearm. (a) Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and (b) any replica of any firearm described in paragraph (a) of this definition if such replica (1) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or (2) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

    Knives, air guns, accessories, and most gun parts need not be shipped to an FFL holder. We say most gun parts because each firearm contains at least one part that the ATF considers a firearm. This part is typically the part that contains the serial number. This part must be treated as a complete firearm when shipping the item.

    Ammunition must be clearly identified as 'Small Arms Ammunition' on the outside of the box. Some shippers treat ammunition as dangerous or hazardous materials.

    The section of the US Code that governs modern firearms is called Commerce in Firearms and Ammunition (CFA). This code is available online at: Alcohol, Tobacco Products and Firearms

    When in doubt, we suggest arranging for transfer through a licensed dealer. Violation of the CFA is a felony and penalties for violation of it are severe.

    Federal and State Law Resources
    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) has a very comprehensive site containing information about the various Federal and state laws regulating firearms. Please refer to the ATF information for legal questions regarding firearms.
    ATF Home page: Home | ATF
    ATF Compilation of the various state laws: http://www.atf.gov/files/publicatio...-5-31st-editiion/2010-2011-atf-book-final.pdf
    ATF Firearms Division Main Page: Firearms Industry | ATF

    Shipment by Unlicensed Persons
    Any shipper who does not have a Federal Firearms License (FFL) is considered to be an 'unlicensed person'. This section contains information on how unlicensed persons can ship firearms. If you have an FFL, please skip to the next section for shipping suggestions.

    The most important thing to know is that you must only ship guns to a licensed dealer. If the buyer is not a licensed dealer, he will have to make arrangements to ship the item to a dealer in his state.

    Before you ship a gun, the buyer must fax or mail you a copy of the dealer's signed FFL license. You can only ship the gun to the address on the license. You must inform the carrier that the package contains a firearm. Of course, the firearm cannot be shipped loaded; ammunition may not be shipped in the same box. You should take the copy of the signed FFL with you when you take the item to be shipped in case the shipper wishes to see it.

    Notes on specific shippers:

    US Mail: An unlicensed person can ship a rifle or shotgun by US Mail. Unlicensed persons cannot ship a handgun by US Mail. Postal regulations allow the Post Office to open your package for inspection. Ammunition cannot be shipped by US Mail. You can search the US Post Office Postal Explorer site for specific USPS regulations regarding firearms and ammunition.

    FedEx Express: FedEx will only ship firearms via their Priority Overnight service. Ammunition must be shipped as hazardous goods via Ground in compliance with ORM-D.

    FedEx Ground: FedEx Ground will transport and deliver firearms (excluding handguns) as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S. Ammunition must be shipped as hazardous goods via Ground in compliance with ORM-D.

    UPS: UPS will accept handgun shipments by Next Day Air only. Rifles and shotguns can be shipped by UPS ground service. UPS will accept shipments of ammunition. Most other shippers will no longer accept firearm shipments. Airborne and Roadway have specifically prohibited firearm shipments.

    Shipment by Licensed Persons
    Any shipper who has a Federal Firearms License (FFL) is considered to be a 'licensed person'. This section contains information on how licensed persons can ship firearms. If you do not have an FFL, please see the previous section of this page for shipping instructions.

    Since licensed persons are responsible for knowing the law, we are going to assume that you already understand the CGA and know the applicable Federal, state, and local laws.

    Notes on specific shippers:

    US Mail: Licensed persons can ship a rifle, shotguns, or handguns by US Mail. In fact, we suggest that you use the USPS as it is now the most cost-effective way to ship a handgun. To ship a rifle or shotgun, you need only inform the Post Office that the package contains a firearm. A licensed manufacturer, dealer, or importer can ship a handgun via the US Post Office if the licensed dealer fills out a US Post Office Form PS 1508 and files it with the local Post Office branch where the handgun is to be shipped. You can search the US Post Office Postal Explorer site for specific USPS regulations regarding firearms and ammunition.

    FedEx Express: FedEx will only ship firearms via their Priority Overnight service. Ammunition must be shipped as hazardous goods via Ground in compliance with ORM-D.

    UPS: UPS will accept handgun shipments by Next Day Air only. Rifles and shotguns can be shipped by UPS ground service. UPS will accept shipments of ammunition.

    Most other shippers will no longer accept firearm shipments. Airborne and Roadway have specifically prohibited firearm shipments.
     
  15. Papercidal

    Papercidal Vancouver ,Wa Active Member

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    I have never used him to ship but for transfers clark county gunsmithing has been very reasonable.
     
  16. NWCustomFirearms

    NWCustomFirearms Vancouver, WA Bronze Vendor Bronze Vendor

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    NW Custom Firearms is in the middle of Vancouver and does FFL transfers for $20 plus the actual cost of shipping and/or taxes.
     
  17. Thebastidge

    Thebastidge 10411 NE Fourth Plain Blvd Vancouver WA 98662 Well-Known Member

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  18. stmcelroy

    stmcelroy Madras, OR Well-Known Member

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    FFL can ship USPS Priority Mail which is way cheaper than shipping UPS/Fedex Air.