Another 737 catches fire

[ilikegunspdx]

737 Max warning going out for faulty rudder controls. One got stuck in the neutral position after landing and NTSB found out it was improperly assembled.

NTSB issues ‘urgent’ safety alert on Boeing 737 rudder system as agency probes Newark Airport issue with United flight

The NTSB issued the warning to Boeing and the FAA for a potential issue regarding the rudders for some 737 Next-Generation and 737 Max 8 aircraft.

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[Nick Burkhardt]

737 Max warning going out for faulty rudder controls. One got stuck in the neutral position after landing and NTSB found out it was improperly assembled.

NTSB issues ‘urgent’ safety alert on Boeing 737 rudder system as agency probes Newark Airport issue with United flight

The NTSB issued the warning to Boeing and the FAA for a potential issue regarding the rudders for some 737 Next-Generation and 737 Max 8 aircraft.

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[MikeInOr]

737 Max warning going out for faulty rudder controls. One got stuck in the neutral position after landing and NTSB found out it was improperly assembled.

NTSB issues ‘urgent’ safety alert on Boeing 737 rudder system as agency probes Newark Airport issue with United flight

The NTSB issued the warning to Boeing and the FAA for a potential issue regarding the rudders for some 737 Next-Generation and 737 Max 8 aircraft.

nypost.com

I wonder if this would have made the news if it were not a 737? If an AirBus had an incorrectly assembled component affecting rudder control on a single plane would it be news worthy? Just curious?

I do know that outsourcing is a cost cutting measure (don't have to pay Boeing union wages) and also limits company liability. Many of the shops the components are outsourced to only have a single customer... Boeing.

 

[WAYNO]

As a student of aviation in the sixties, and being territorial, we were quite proud of anything labeled Boeing. "If it Ain't Boeing, I'm Not Going" was the fanfare.
It is still my preferred brand of commercial aircraft, and when I have a choice, I pick a flight with a Boeing product over anything Air Bus.
Many years later, the relationships between the FAA and Boeing have changed, and some of it not just for convenience, but strictly for financial reasons. Neither is a good excuse for shortcuts.

Boeing has lost a lot of clout, trust, and respect over some news items the last couple of years. I truly hope the new regime(s) at Boeing figure out some shortcuts cost much more than the savings expected.

 

[Diamondback]

As a student of aviation in the sixties, and being territorial, we were quite proud of anything labeled Boeing. "If it Ain't Boeing, I'm Not Going" was the fanfare.
It is still my preferred brand of commercial aircraft, and when I have a choice, I pick a flight with a Boeing product over anything Air Bus.
Many years later, the relationships between the FAA and Boeing have changed, and some of it not just for convenience, but strictly for financial reasons. Neither is a good excuse for shortcuts.

Boeing has lost a lot of clout, trust, and respect over some news items the last couple of years. I truly hope the new regime(s) at Boeing figure out some shortcuts cost much more than the savings expected.

Problem is, even if Ortberg has ideas to trigger a Boeing Renaissance he has to get past a Board of Directors and major shareholders who only want "more of same"--to keep doing thins the McDonnell Douglas way until this host is dead and they have to find a new one to latch onto and drain.

 

[Alexx1401]

737 Max warning going out for faulty rudder controls. One got stuck in the neutral position after landing and NTSB found out it was improperly assembled.

NTSB issues ‘urgent’ safety alert on Boeing 737 rudder system as agency probes Newark Airport issue with United flight

The NTSB issued the warning to Boeing and the FAA for a potential issue regarding the rudders for some 737 Next-Generation and 737 Max 8 aircraft.

nypost.com

Airbus has to be LOVING what has become of the once great Boeing. Who is now on strike wanting a 40% increase in wages as the Co flounders.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Airbus has to be LOVING what has become of the once great Boeing. Who is now on strike wanting a 40% increase in wages as the Co flounders.

Yea the strike is nuts. How much is Boeing going to lose in the space contract I wonder.

 

[Alexx1401]

Yea the strike is nuts. How much is Boeing going to lose in the space contract I wonder.

At this point I am not sure how they keep the damn doors open. DEI really took a toll on them. Now the plants here striking just may get to see the final nail. Place may up and move and leave them all to stand there mouth open wondering what happened to those jobs.

 

[Old Dog]

Yep, why I'm checking the plane model when I make reservations now, and mostly fly Delta and Airbus aircraft.

I'm just wondering how much the striking Boeing employees actually think about the fact that they're just nailing the final nails in the Boeing coffin with regard to the confidence level of those of us that fly commercial airlines frequently...

I hate flying as it is, having had two occasions in the military where I believed, even for those few seconds or minutes, that I was gonna die, during aircraft difficulties...

 

[made in china]

Boeing would be toast if Elon ever decides to start making aircraft

 

[Aero Denezol]

Problem is, even if Ortberg has ideas to trigger a Boeing Renaissance he has to get past a Board of Directors and major shareholders who only want "more of same"--to keep doing thins the McDonnell Douglas way until this host is dead and they have to find a new one to latch onto and drain.

^^^^This 100%

At this point I am not sure how they keep the damn doors open. DEI really took a toll on them.

DEI practices have significantly hurt the company. This is not my opinion, this is something I've learned directly from old timers on the inside. It's always been a diverse/international company but it no longer has the grit it used to have. People spend too much time talking about BS and not enough time talking nuts and bolts.

Yep, why I'm checking the plane model when I make reservations now, and mostly fly Delta and Airbus aircraft.

I'm just wondering how much the striking Boeing employees actually think about the fact that they're just nailing the final nails in the Boeing coffin with regard to the confidence level of those of us that fly commercial airlines frequently...

Well, the media isn't helping that perception either. They pile on every chance they get. So yeah, I guess you could say the Union is playing into their hands by providing fodder.

FWIW accident rates among modern commercial aircraft - Boeing or Airbus - are nearly identical, which is pretty damn close to 0%. Older aircraft types (mfg. 1960s/1970s) had slightly higher accident rates, however, none of those fly passengers anymore - at least not in the US.

All of this information is public for anyone to look up.

 

[gmerkt]

Boeing would be toast if Elon ever decides to start making aircraft

We should buy him a one way ticket on one of his rocket ships to Mars.

 

[gmerkt]

Yea the strike is nuts. How much is Boeing going to lose in the space contract I wonder.

There is one good thing about it. I can get on Highway 526 in Everett at 1330 hours and not get stuck in a three mile long traffic jam.

 

[Old Dog]

Well, the media isn't helping that perception either. They pile on every chance they get. So yeah, I guess you could say the Union is playing into their hands by providing fodder.

FWIW accident rates among modern commercial aircraft - Boeing or Airbus - are nearly identical, which is pretty damn close to 0%. Older aircraft types (mfg. 1960s/1970s) had slightly higher accident rates, however, none of those fly passengers anymore - at least not in the US.

Yeah, understand what you're saying. Almost the same as when the media covers politicians -- a side is taken and misinformation abounds. Throw unions into the mix, and all bets are off. But for me, my two of my three bad experiences in 25 years of frequent flying while on active duty happened on aircraft manufactured by Boeing (one was on a McDonnell-Douglas aircraft). After what I went through years ago, and after seeing the crap that's occurring with Boeing aircraft, it's simply hard to feel confident about flying in one of their aircraft. Plus, I have a friend who's an engineer for Boeing, and after all the stories I heard from him during the pandemic, I get the same feeling about that company as I had about GM products when I worked at a GM factory in 1978.

 

[made in china]

We should buy him a one way ticket on one of his rocket ships to Mars.

I love it when people hate on Elon.

The guy has accomplished so much. The US space program relies on him. Go ahead and see him off, I guess Boeing can do it better, right?

 

[lucusloc]

I love it when people hate on Elon.

The guy has accomplished so much. The US space program relies on him. Go ahead and see him off, I guess Boeing can do it better, right?

I don't agree with the guy on many things, for example his electric car push is not ready for full adoption in the absolute best case, and might just be a technological dead end at worst. But they guy gets things done, and is not afraid to put vast amounts of his own wealth at stake doing it. He is also slowly shifting his personal policies as he buts up against hard reality, and that is heartening to see. If he entered the traditional aviation market there would be a shakeup for sure, but I am not willing to bet how all those chips would land.

 

[made in china]

Boeing's 737 Max plea deal was struck down for having too much DEI

"The plea agreement requires the parties to consider race when hiring the independent monitor," Judge Reed O’Connor wrote

qz.com

 

[Hemlock]

Not just Boeing planes. The wife was on an Airbus coming back from Wisconsin last week and it had all the power go out in the passenger area.
The captain said they could smell something burning. They set down in Bismark, ND. A small airport for a 6 hour delay to get a different plane and crew to take over.

 

[Diamondback]

Not just Boeing planes. The wife was on an Airbus coming back from Wisconsin last week and it had all the power go out in the passenger area.
The captain said they could smell something burning. They set down in Bismark, ND. A small airport for a 6 hour delay to get a different plane and crew to take over.

Sounds like the common denominator is MRO - Maintenance, Repair & Overhaul. DEI wrenches are as dangerous as DEI on the factory floor.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

737-800 gear failed to deploy. 179 dead in South Korea. Isn't there a way to manually lower the gear in these planes (through gravity or other)? Video of the crash at the top of the article.

South Korea plane carrying 181 people skids off runway and explodes, killing all but two: report

All but 2 people on board were dead on Sunday after an airliner went off the runway and crashed at South Korea’s Muan International Airport.

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