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A couple of things. I do not consider the 450 bm = to the 45-70. The 45-70 is quite a bit more capable. A better comparison would be the 458 socom to the 45-70. Although it comes closer it is also eclipsed by the 45-70 in a modern strong action. That being said, the 450 bm is capable of cleanly killing a black bear but would not be my first choice for protection from them. Put me in the 12ga camp but also with a sidearm strapped to me. The places I camp have grizz, blackies, cougar, wolf and moose. I am always armed.
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