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How many did he wound and not recover?Hey guys,
If you don't wanna hunt with a .30-30, that's fine. Use whatever you want, but if you think the old Winchester round is too weak for the job of deer hunting, let's not forget that Kaiser Wilhelm used to hunt Stag (which, size-wise, is between a white tail and an elk) with a Luger carbine PISTOL in 7.65 caliber.
A lot depends on the design of the projectile.Different bullet shape as well. I don't think it is so inflammatory to state that a lower power round might perform better at closer range. Shouldn't it? I rely on .308 to be useful out at 400 yards, which means it started out with something extra.
It isn't necessarily a problem that .308 doesn't work as well as 30-30 at 100 yards. It still works.A lot depends on the design of the projectile.
With today's ammo, you can get a projectile that performs well and consistently with regards to expansion and weight retention, at ranges from point blank out to 4-500 yards. Of course it is going to have more energy close up, and quite probably different penetration, but as long as it doesn't blow up and damage too much meat close up, and gets to the vital organs, I don't see a problem
There's also the fact that bullets tend to be made these days, specific to a particular application.A lot depends on the design of the projectile.
With today's ammo, you can get a projectile that performs well and consistently with regards to expansion and weight retention, at ranges from point blank out to 4-500 yards. Of course it is going to have more energy close up, and quite probably different penetration, but as long as it doesn't blow up and damage too much meat close up, and gets to the vital organs, I don't see a problem
Yes - I believe I ran into that with the 7mm Rem Mag I bought back in the 70s - to my detriment and the cost of meat when the bullets blew up. Even with proper ammo, I think that cartridge is not suitable for deer at ranges under 100 yards.There's also the fact that bullets tend to be made these days, specific to a particular application.
A bullet made for a .30-30 is built lighter than one made for, say, a .300 Winnie Mag.
This is due to the power range each cartridge works in.
IF they'd had done those tests and used the .30-30 specific bullet for all 3 calibers, they would've noted either massive mushrooming of the recovered bullets, or those bullets would've disintegrated, when fired from either the .308 or the .30-06.
Flip that around and use a bullet more suited for the '06 in the .30-30 and you'll likely find little if any mushrooming of that bullet.
So its important to remember that a cartridge is a whole unit unto itself and those pieces have to work together harmoniously in order to garner successful results.
...this is what they're not telling you in that article.
I was following up until that last part.....are you saying you don't think the 7mm RM is suitable for deer under 100 yards, or was that in reference to the .30-30?Yes - I believe I ran into that with the 7mm Rem Mag I bought back in the 70s - to my detriment and the cost of meat when the bullets blew up. Even with proper ammo, I think that cartridge is not suitable for deer at ranges under 100 yards.
7mm RM - but that is based on experience on smallish deer at ranges less than 100 yards. I am not sure if it still holds true, but even with a well designed bullet, a 140gr projectile at 3200 fps on a deer that weighs 100# (typically - IME) seems excessive. The last deer I shot with that rifle, at 75 yards, the bullet went thru one shoulder and out the other, with excessive meat damage.I was following up until that last part.....are you saying you don't think the 7mm RM is suitable for deer under 100 yards, or was that in reference to the .30-30?