Announced very recently is Winchester's newest offering toward Rimfire enthusiasts: .17 Winchester Super Magnum. 3000fps. Case was developed from .277 Rimfire nail-gun propellant cartridges. Savage will most probably have the first guns out within the month. Probably NOT the 93 action, but based on the current (larger) action that handles the Hornet. Time will tell if this new offering takes off as did the HMR: beyond all expectations, including my own. Price point for ammo is described as the $15 range. For those who have discovered the Winchester ammo as superior to all other offerings in the HMR ($13 and rarely on sale), this is not beyond consideration.