114 update from the state

[Cavedweller]

You are talking to the wrong person. I am neither for nor against such a strategy.

I didn't say you were.

 

[Krinkov]

Does anyone know how it works if my gun hasn't shipped yet? I ordered a rifle on 11/29 from PSA and it's still "processing."

Will I still be able to pick up from my local FFL dealer that I chose since I purchased before 12/8? Getting antsy.

Before probably not, after sure. You'll just need to stumble through the permit process with the rest of Oregon.
Need to see what happens with the ruling. If 114 gets delayed or not and pushes the start date back.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I didn't say you were.

You are correct. Read it wrong. Thx!

 

[Helocat]

This is on the states FICS (the page FFLs use for background checks) as of this afternoon. Its dated for release tomorrow Dec. 2 2022. This is going out to all FFL's in Oregon. (Current back log as of this posting is 33,316 citizens trying to exercise their 2nd Amendment right)


Update on the status of FICS transactions in the Pended/Delayed Queue - Oregon (Photo) - 12/02/22


BM114 becomes law on December 8, 2022. Since November 8, 2022, the FICS unit has experienced unprecedented volumes of firearms transactions never seen before in the program's 26-year history. OSP continues to work diligently to process and resolve as many of the pended/delayed FICS transactions as possible.

FICS transactions that are not completed with an approval number by midnight on December 7, 2022, will require the purchaser to initiate their permit application to obtain a Permit-to-Purchase before their FICS transaction can resume. This means your FICS transaction will not be canceled on December 8th. Once the purchaser has an approved permit, the FICS transaction will resume.

It is important to note that many times pended/delayed FICS transactions are due to missing, incomplete, or incorrect information. When there is missing or incomplete information on a person's Computerized Criminal History (CCH), OSP must contact the agency that is the owner of that information to obtain official records so that OSP can determine whether the person is approved for the firearm purchase. The agencies contacted most for missing or incomplete information are the Courts or District Attorneys' offices throughout the United States. There are no required timelines for the agencies to respond to our requests for missing or incomplete information. By statute, the information within the FICS transaction database can only be held for five years.

Oregon State Police has worked with Permit Agents regarding the application form for the Permit-to-Purchase. The draft application is in the final review with permitting agencies and will be posted to the Oregon State Police's website and available to those wishing to apply for a Permit-to-Purchase on December 8, 2022.

With BM114 becoming law on December 8, 2022, this gives Oregon State Police a very short window to develop a program and have technology available for use on day 1 of the new law. Because of this, the Permit-to-Purchase program at Oregon State Police will be a manual paper process until new technical systems can be designed and implemented.

 

[lcb97269]

It says, in queue Dec 8, no gun till you have permit. Which OSP will have a form for you on. They wont have the live training though. Likely they will just put the forms in a pile till they figure out the rest. The pile will grow. The guns will sit. The 2nd Amendment stops for everyone in the state till they "figure it out".

I only wonder if this will cause more to buy, or less.

I don't need a permit to exercise a right.

 

[Member 34319]

I don't need a permit to exercise a right.

That right ends here shortly dude!

 

[72scoutman]

That right ends here shortly dude!

Not necessarily, just encourages a more old school approach.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Does anyone know how it works if my gun hasn't shipped yet? I ordered a rifle on 11/29 from PSA and it's still "processing."

Will I still be able to pick up from my local FFL dealer that I chose since I purchased before 12/8? Getting antsy.

Like me, you are probably out of luck.
I ordered 2 lowers last Wednesday morning 11/23 and they did not ship until Monday 11/28. My UPS tracking number status is:

Estimated delivery
Wednesday, December 07 by 9:00 P.M.

 

[b18_ek_zach]

Picked mine up tonight

 

[SCARed]

Like me, you are probably out of luck.
I ordered 2 lowers last Wednesday morning 11/23 and they did not ship until Monday 11/28. My UPS tracking number status is:

Estimated delivery
Wednesday, December 07 by 9:00 P.M.

#29
Does anyone know how it works if my gun hasn't shipped yet? I ordered a rifle on 11/29 from PSA and it's still "processing."
Will I still be able to pick up from my local FFL dealer that I chose since I purchased before 12/8? Getting antsy.



If you didn't do your 4473 yesterday, you won't get your item. I'm really suprised your FFL even allowed the shipment. Most stopped accepting transfers a couple weeks ago.

 

[SCARed]

So I have already waited 3 days and the place that has my gun said no to me today . How is it you guys are able to get your guns.

Did you do you BGC Monday or before? If so, your FFL may not want to take on the liability of releasing your gun before the bgc is complete. If you did the BGC on Tues, tomorrow (Sat) would be the soonest you could pick it up.

 

[UnderFire]

So the BIG question I have is, what will they do with all the people that have said firearms purchased legally and lawfully released after the 72 hour window, whose BGC is still in the ethers of the NICS check?

Exactly my thought when I read this, more specifically since these checks are "paused" until a permit is acquired, what happens when someome has no plans to get a permit?

 

[dinky450]

So I have already waited 3 days and the place that has my gun said no to me today . How is it you guys are able to get your guns.

Our FFLs decided to follow the 3day rule. Lots are doing it now and maybe you can bring that up and ultimately it's their choice.

 

[Texanna]

Like me, you are probably out of luck.
I ordered 2 lowers last Wednesday morning 11/23 and they did not ship until Monday 11/28. My UPS tracking number status is:

Estimated delivery
Wednesday, December 07 by 9:00 P.M.

"A friend of mine" (not me, no way, not me, no) is having the exact same issue with the same delivery date! Arrgggh. We shall see. UPS seems to be having a jam-up in the central US.

 

[Texanna]

So I have already waited 3 days and the place that has my gun said no to me today . How is it you guys are able to get your guns.

Some FFL's are following the existing law – no denial in 3 days, take your liberty tool and leave – and others are not, simple as that.

 

[slyfox]

Exactly my thought when I read this, more specifically since these checks are "paused" until a permit is acquired, what happens when someome has no plans to get a permit?

problem for those willing to do the permit, is the bgc expires after 30 days. they'll have to start another and get in back of the line. it'll probably be bit shorter though as many won't get the permit. I won't.

 

[lcb97269]

Does anyone know how it works if my gun hasn't shipped yet? I ordered a rifle on 11/29 from PSA and it's still "processing."

Will I still be able to pick up from my local FFL dealer that I chose since I purchased before 12/8? Getting antsy.

Should have ordered sooner to bypass the bs coming.

 

[lcb97269]

Some FFL's are following the existing law – no denial in 3 days, take your liberty tool and leave – and others are not, simple as that.

Nw firearms won't do that, ever.

 

[lcb97269]

I don't need no stinking permit to buy or own a gun. Get Californicators out of Oregon.

 

[arakboss]

This is on the states FICS (the page FFLs use for background checks) as of this afternoon. Its dated for release tomorrow Dec. 2 2022. This is going out to all FFL's in Oregon. (Current back log as of this posting is 33,316 citizens trying to exercise their 2nd Amendment right)


Update on the status of FICS transactions in the Pended/Delayed Queue - Oregon (Photo) - 12/02/22


BM114 becomes law on December 8, 2022. Since November 8, 2022, the FICS unit has experienced unprecedented volumes of firearms transactions never seen before in the program's 26-year history. OSP continues to work diligently to process and resolve as many of the pended/delayed FICS transactions as possible.

FICS transactions that are not completed with an approval number by midnight on December 7, 2022, will require the purchaser to initiate their permit application to obtain a Permit-to-Purchase before their FICS transaction can resume. This means your FICS transaction will not be canceled on December 8th. Once the purchaser has an approved permit, the FICS transaction will resume.

It is important to note that many times pended/delayed FICS transactions are due to missing, incomplete, or incorrect information. When there is missing or incomplete information on a person's Computerized Criminal History (CCH), OSP must contact the agency that is the owner of that information to obtain official records so that OSP can determine whether the person is approved for the firearm purchase. The agencies contacted most for missing or incomplete information are the Courts or District Attorneys' offices throughout the United States. There are no required timelines for the agencies to respond to our requests for missing or incomplete information. By statute, the information within the FICS transaction database can only be held for five years.

Oregon State Police has worked with Permit Agents regarding the application form for the Permit-to-Purchase. The draft application is in the final review with permitting agencies and will be posted to the Oregon State Police's website and available to those wishing to apply for a Permit-to-Purchase on December 8, 2022.

With BM114 becoming law on December 8, 2022, this gives Oregon State Police a very short window to develop a program and have technology available for use on day 1 of the new law. Because of this, the Permit-to-Purchase program at Oregon State Police will be a manual paper process until new technical systems can be designed and implemented.

Thanks for sharing that. It looks like to me, barring any relief from the court, that OSP will no longer be processing background checks and FFLs will no longer be allowed to do no response releases as of Dec 8th. This is go time for FFLs. They need to get as many firearms out the door as possible by Wednesday.

FFLs should consider posting a copy of this at their retail location and direct any customers asking "what's going to happen after Dec 8th?" to read it. I have fielded this question a hundred times. About all I can or have time to tell them is, we don't know.